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HD Radio is making thngs worse for Analog Radio

> > >
> > > HD radio is still stuck to contours. Satellite radio
> and
> > > stations go across country with me.
> > >
> > > You do the math.
> > >
> >
> > Nice "Straw Man" argument! I got you on your numbers
> > argument, so you ignore it and attack something else.
> >
> > I can do that too...
> >
>
>
> Straw Man argument? You are kidding I hope. I started the
> post about analog FM scanning and how the radio now stops on
> all the unlistenable HD channels. It is you who has taken
> this subject and turned it into a free for all smear
> campaign.
>

Not true at all. Show me where I did that. It is you who is belittling anyone who dares question what you've heard on your radio. Then you went on to use Satellite Radio as a shield. We question that, and you continue.

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> > >
> > > HD radio is still stuck to contours. Satellite radio
> and
> > > stations go across country with me.
> > >
> > > You do the math.
> > >
> >
> > Nice "Straw Man" argument! I got you on your numbers
> > argument, so you ignore it and attack something else.
> >
> > I can do that too...
> >
>
>
> Straw Man argument? You are kidding I hope. I started the
> post about analog FM scanning and how the radio now stops on
> all the unlistenable HD channels. It is you who has taken
> this subject and turned it into a free for all smear
> campaign.
>

HUH??? It is YOU that is switching topics all over the palce. First of all it was that the audio on teh main channel has noise then your scan stopped at an adjacent, then the number of channels is limited, then you get into using sat radio, ya da ya da.... We are trying to give you well thought out researched answers and you seem to be ignoring them.
 
I understand radiodial's problem

Radiodial, I understand your scanning problem and why it is so annoying. It is like what happens if I try to scan through the AM stations with my Sangean DT 200V pocket radio while standing too close to my computer monitor. The monitor's radio noise "grabs" the radio and stops the scanning every 3 - 4 channels (30 kHz - 40 kHz) or so, which means it takes forever to scan through the stations. The off-channel FM IBOC noise does the same thing to your car radio, but unlike with my Sangean, you can't move your radio away from the noise source to solve the problem. -- JasonW

> > >
> > > I am not that worried about it. I'll be getting XM soon
>
> > > enough.
> > >
> >
> >
> > Theres your answer! Why did you come here to tell us you
> > wer going to XM anyways?
> >
>
>
> I came here to discuss what I originally posted. I don't
> understand your statement?
>
>
> > YOU were not listening to what
> > others were telling you.
>
>
> 2 other people have already posted saying they are
> experiencing the same thing! It's you who is not listening.
>
>
>
> > I have done a LOT of listening. I
> > haev listened to an analog FM 90 miles away in complette
> > stereo, while an adjacent FM 25 miles away was running HD.
>
> >
> > You suggested that the analog FM stations had added hiss
> to
> > them. Which is not true. If it is happening to you it is
>
> > your radio that is having trouble.
> >
>
>
> You are still not getting it. I and the others are not
> talking about HD interferring with an FM analog channel. We
> are saying that the radio, during a seek, stops on the HD
> channels and those channels are noisy. It has added more
> noise to the scanning process. That's all.
>
 
Re: I understand radiodial's problem

> Radiodial, I understand your scanning problem and why it is
> so annoying. It is like what happens if I try to scan
> through the AM stations with my Sangean DT 200V pocket radio
> while standing too close to my computer monitor. The
> monitor's radio noise "grabs" the radio and stops the
> scanning every 3 - 4 channels (30 kHz - 40 kHz) or so, which
> means it takes forever to scan through the stations. The
> off-channel FM IBOC noise does the same thing to your car
> radio, but unlike with my Sangean, you can't move your radio
> away from the noise source to solve the problem. -- JasonW

Well if that's true, why have so many of us been unable to duplicate the problem?
 
Re: I understand radiodial's problem

I don't know--I don't own an HD radio. -- JasonW

> > Radiodial, I understand your scanning problem and why it
> is
> > so annoying. It is like what happens if I try to scan
> > through the AM stations with my Sangean DT 200V pocket
> radio
> > while standing too close to my computer monitor. The
> > monitor's radio noise "grabs" the radio and stops the
> > scanning every 3 - 4 channels (30 kHz - 40 kHz) or so,
> which
> > means it takes forever to scan through the stations. The
> > off-channel FM IBOC noise does the same thing to your car
> > radio, but unlike with my Sangean, you can't move your
> radio
> > away from the noise source to solve the problem. --
> JasonW
>
> Well if that's true, why have so many of us been unable to
> duplicate the problem?
>
 
>There's one station in the Springfield, MA, area
>that has a very sloppy display using RDS. It looks like bad
>automation encoding.
>

REALLY? Which station in Springfield WERE you listening to? And WHEN?
 
> >There's one station in the Springfield, MA, area
> >that has a very sloppy display using RDS. It looks like bad
> >automation encoding.

> REALLY? Which station in Springfield WERE you listening to?
> And WHEN?

WHYN-FM. Right now. Words are popping up before others disappear. The MIX logo clobbers the titles. They're playing a cut by INXS. The XS appears first, then IN. Lots of partial words in titles. I'm using a Grundig Satellit 700.

WHYN - 93.1 - Garbled song display.
WMAS - 94.7 - No RDS.
WTIC - 96.5 - No RDS
WPKX - 97.9 - No RDS
WLZX - Lazer993 logo only.
WRCH - 100.5 - Same problem as WHYN
WRNX - 100.9 - No RDS
WAQY - 102.1 - Rock 102 logo only
WXOJ - 103.3 - LPFM - Web address only - badly distorted
WRSI - 104.3 - The River with list of frequencies (quadracast)
WEIB - 106.3 - No RDS
WCCC - 106.9 - No RDS

Rich



Rich
 
> WHYN-FM. Right now. Words are popping up before others
> disappear. The MIX logo clobbers the titles. They're playing
> a cut by INXS. The XS appears first, then IN. Lots of
> partial words in titles. I'm using a Grundig Satellit 700.
>
> WHYN - 93.1 - Garbled song display.
> WMAS - 94.7 - No RDS.
> WTIC - 96.5 - No RDS
> WPKX - 97.9 - No RDS
> WLZX - Lazer993 logo only.
> WRCH - 100.5 - Same problem as WHYN
> WRNX - 100.9 - No RDS
> WAQY - 102.1 - Rock 102 logo only
> WXOJ - 103.3 - LPFM - Web address only - badly distorted
> WRSI - 104.3 - The River with list of frequencies
> (quadracast)
> WEIB - 106.3 - No RDS
> WCCC - 106.9 - No RDS

I've seen RDS on WMAS, WTIC, and WCCC.
 
> I've seen RDS on WMAS, WTIC, and WCCC.

On 2/14/06 there was no RDS. On any of them. I have the receiver next to me as I type. Very strong signal on WMAS. No RDS. WTIC, Full pin on the meter. No RDS. WCCC, full pin on the meter. No RDS.

The list remains the same as yesterday.

Rich
 
Re: I understand radiodial's problem

> I don't know--I don't own an HD radio. -- JasonW

You don't have to. Most of the existing problems occur with analog radios. That's the problem. The adjacent channel interference on AM is obvious on analog receivers. The DXers here, particularly in the East in Winter have a couple of hours of nighttime propagation where IBUZ is still operating.

When I had the Kenwood loaner, sundown in the East was later than 6pm, so I couldn't test the nighttime interference. Two good tests would be WOR and WLW and WBZ and KDKA to see how it affects a receiver in digital mode. First, you'd have to find a place where both could be received in digital. At the time, neither KDKA nor WLW were operating hash generators. WLW, I'm told, was scheduled to light up last Sunday. I'll check to see which blots out which this afternoon. Just out of curiousity. I'm well beyond either station's protected contour.

Rich
 
> >
> > The people who used to listen to fm ,will now run out and
> > get sirius or xm nobody will get HD radio,its not
> practical.
> > Fm DID shoot itself in the foot. An sirius radio or xm
> radio
> > is $49 and a HD radio is around $400.
> > Do the math.
> >
>
> Thank you! Finally a voice of reason.
>

Voice of reason my ass.... This problem you are describing is not going to affect every single radio, as we have tried to show you quite a few times.

As Simon & Garfunkel say, "I am just a poor boy though my story's seldom told
I have squandered my resistance for a pocketful of mumbles,
Such are promises, all lies and jest, Still a man hears what he wants to hear
And disregards the rest".
 
Re: I understand radiodial's problem

> Well if that's true, why have so many of us been unable to
> duplicate the problem?
>

Are you saying that your analog FM car radio, when scanning, does NOT pause/stop on the HD channels?
 
> >
> > Thank you! Finally a voice of reason.
> >
>
> Voice of reason my ass.... This problem you are describing
> is not going to affect every single radio, as we have tried
> to show you quite a few times.
>
 
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