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HD Radio is making thngs worse for Analog Radio

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I have a car. That car has a AM/FM radio. The radio is not an HD radio. I doubt I will be getting an HD radio in my car anytime soon. But HD radio is ruining my current radio in my car.

When I press the button on my car radio to do a channel search, the search now stops on HD channels. Those channles are just noise. Luckily, I know that those are the new HD channels so I realize why my radio search feature keeps stopping on noise 2 times more than it ever has.

But not so lucky for those who do not know what HD radio is. For those poor souls, the only impression they can come away with is that the entire band on FM is cluttered with unlistenable junk.

The "powers at be" did NOT think this through. This is going to drive listeners straight to satellite radio. The entire analog FM band now sounds like a swath of unlistenable junk!

Dumb, dumb, dumb... talk about shooting one's feet off.

JMHO
 
> I have a car.

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WOW you must really think that the general public is stupid. This will drive people to satellite??? Are you kidding? I am going to pay $13 per month just because my scan stops on an adjacent channel? PUH LEEEEZ! And how is HD Radio ruining your car radio? Did it blow up? Is it smoking?

Often, even before HD Radio, my scan would stop on the adjacent channel due to the analog "splash" It truely is not that inconvenient! Is it? Most people would just hit the scan button again. No big deal.

And I am happy you have a car.

> I have a car. That car has a AM/FM radio. The radio is not
> an HD radio. I doubt I will be getting an HD radio in my
> car anytime soon. But HD radio is ruining my current radio
> in my car.
>
> When I press the button on my car radio to do a channel
> search, the search now stops on HD channels. Those channles
> are just noise. Luckily, I know that those are the new HD
> channels so I realize why my radio search feature keeps
> stopping on noise 2 times more than it ever has.
>
> But not so lucky for those who do not know what HD radio is.
> For those poor souls, the only impression they can come
> away with is that the entire band on FM is cluttered with
> unlistenable junk.
>
> The "powers at be" did NOT think this through. This is
> going to drive listeners straight to satellite radio. The
> entire analog FM band now sounds like a swath of
> unlistenable junk!
>
> Dumb, dumb, dumb... talk about shooting one's feet off.
>
> JMHO
>
 
> WOW you must really think that the general public is stupid.
> This will drive people to satellite??? Are you kidding? I
> am going to pay $13 per month just because my scan stops on
> an adjacent channel? PUH LEEEEZ! And how is HD Radio
> ruining your car radio? Did it blow up? Is it smoking?
>

I answered all of those questions in my original post. Ya know, you and I know why the FM band is now cluttered with noise and the search feture of the radio is stopping on twice as much noise, but the average listener only knows that the FM band is now cluttered with UNLISTENABLE noise.

Gee, try thinking for just a moment and don't worry so much about giving me a puffed up nonsensical reply.


> Often, even before HD Radio, my scan would stop on the
> adjacent channel due to the analog "splash" It truely is
> not that inconvenient! Is it? Most people would just hit
> the scan button again. No big deal.
>

I am glad you have it all figured out. But for me, who even knows why the search function on the radio is stopping on more unlistenable noise due to HD, it is a big deal. It SUCKS! So don't go telling me what is, and what is not, a big deal.

As it stands now, HD is making my FM search on my car radio SUCK! Got it! Satellite radio doesn't do that and satellite radio shows who is playing! Hah!
 
> WOW you must really think that the general public is stupid.
> This will drive people to satellite??? Are you kidding? I
> am going to pay $13 per month just because my scan stops on
> an adjacent channel? PUH LEEEEZ!

Just to add. $13 per month is a LOT CHEAPER than an HD radio! Hah!
 
> > WOW you must really think that the general public is
> stupid.
> > This will drive people to satellite??? Are you kidding?
> I
> > am going to pay $13 per month just because my scan stops
> on
> > an adjacent channel? PUH LEEEEZ!
>
> Just to add. $13 per month is a LOT CHEAPER than an HD
> radio! Hah!
>

Shall we do the math???

$50 Sat radio
$13 per month (plus taxes) = $14.04

14.04 * 18 months (year and a half) = $252.72

$252.72 + $50 (radio) = $302

HD Radio?
One time of $279 (plus tax) = $301.32

So after a year and a half HD radio pays for itself. You keep paying and paying for Sat radio to listen to an inferior audio product with cheezy liners that is all voice tracked.

Where is the deal now?
 
> > WOW you must really think that the general public is
> stupid.
> > This will drive people to satellite??? Are you kidding?
> I
> > am going to pay $13 per month just because my scan stops
> on
> > an adjacent channel? PUH LEEEEZ! And how is HD Radio
> > ruining your car radio? Did it blow up? Is it smoking?
> >
>
> I answered all of those questions in my original post. Ya
> know, you and I know why the FM band is now cluttered with
> noise and the search feture of the radio is stopping on
> twice as much noise, but the average listener only knows
> that the FM band is now cluttered with UNLISTENABLE noise.
>
> Gee, try thinking for just a moment and don't worry so much
> about giving me a puffed up nonsensical reply.
>
>

OK, I have been in many markets with HD Radio. I have had a few instances where the scan stopped at the adjacent channel, but only when I was very close to a transmitter. As I said before that would happen even without HD Radio due to the analog slop. I have not had any instances of another station being interfered with from HD Radio (on FM). What exactly do you consider noise? The noise between the channels? It was there befors HD Radio came along. And if you sit and listen to the noise between channels you may need to look for new forms of entertainment. My reply is far from nonsensical! I have installed HD systems, and monitored HD stations in a number of markets. I am LOOKING for instances where there is interference. To say my response is PUFFY is a tad from the truth. And I certainly dont worry about what answer I will give you as my answer will have been well reserched based on my testing and listening.

> > Often, even before HD Radio, my scan would stop on the
> > adjacent channel due to the analog "splash" It truely is
> > not that inconvenient! Is it? Most people would just hit
>
> > the scan button again. No big deal.
> >
>
> I am glad you have it all figured out. But for me, who even
> knows why the search function on the radio is stopping on
> more unlistenable noise due to HD, it is a big deal. It
> SUCKS! So don't go telling me what is, and what is not, a
> big deal.
>

As I said you may need to find new ways of etnertaining yourself. If you are upset by the fact that your FM radio stops on the adjacent channel, well IMHO that is pretty trivial. Your average listener will not hardly even notice, nor care. Are you scanning because you have too many station you listen to and cant use the memory buttons? I know I scan that way because I do monitor a bunch of stations.

> As it stands now, HD is making my FM search on my car radio
> SUCK! Got it! Satellite radio doesn't do that and satellite
> radio shows who is playing! Hah!
>

Ummmm FM and HD Radio does show who is playing. It is called RDS. They have been doing that for years. You must not be very old. Are you about 21 or so?

Any other points you would like to bring up? Have you considered that it could be your radio that is having the issues. If you read this board you will find a lot of people are NOT having troubles. What kind of radio do you have? How old is it? How far are you away from the transmitters?
 
> >
> > Just to add. $13 per month is a LOT CHEAPER than an HD
> > radio! Hah!
> >
>
> Shall we do the math???
>
> HD Radio?
> One time of $279 (plus tax) = $301.32
>

Where can I get an HD car radio for $279?
 
> I have a car. That car has a AM/FM radio. The radio is not
> an HD radio. I doubt I will be getting an HD radio in my
> car anytime soon. But HD radio is ruining my current radio
> in my car.
>
> When I press the button on my car radio to do a channel
> search, the search now stops on HD channels. Those channles
> are just noise.

There is no noise on FM HD stations. It only occurs on the AM band.

I suspect your radio has a faulty antenna.
 
>
> OK, I have been in many markets with HD Radio. I have had a
> few instances where the scan stopped at the adjacent
> channel, but only when I was very close to a transmitter.
> As I said before that would happen even without HD Radio due
> to the analog slop. I have not had any instances of another
> station being interfered with from HD Radio (on FM). What
> exactly do you consider noise?
>

*sigh* You are just not listening are you?! My car radio during a search now stops on all HD channels. Those channels are unlistenable noise on my non HD car radio. So, for every channel that has HD, my car radio now stops 2 more times per channel and lands on NOISE.

This in turn gives the effect that the entire FM band is now more noise with fewer actual channels. It's like a static ghost town during an automatic search.

I am trying to be as honest with you as I can. That's my observation. It's just 1 observation from 1 person. But it is MY observation and how the HD channels are affecting me -- a non HD car radio person.

And I truly do like the fact that satellite radio displays who is playing with each song. That is a really good feature.

JMHO of course.
 
> There is no noise on FM HD stations. It only occurs on the
> AM band.
>
> I suspect your radio has a faulty antenna.
>

There is on a non HD car radio when the search stops on the HD channels.
 
> *sigh* You are just not listening are you?! My car radio
> during a search now stops on all HD channels. Those
> channels are unlistenable noise on my non HD car radio. So,
> for every channel that has HD, my car radio now stops 2 more
> times per channel and lands on NOISE.
>
> This in turn gives the effect that the entire FM band is now
> more noise with fewer actual channels. It's like a static
> ghost town during an automatic search.

Later in your post, you said,

> The entire analog FM band now sounds like a swath of unlistenable junk!

You're slightly confused about how HD works. HD only generates noise on the AM band, not the FM band. Your radio either has a bad FM antenna or the radio itself has become sensitive to the weaker splash from stations on the FM band.

How old is your radio? It could be time for a new one. You may also have something amiss in the car itself that causes interference on the FM band.
<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by randrewsIII on 02/10/06 06:10 PM.</FONT></P>
 
> There is on a non HD car radio when the search stops on the
> HD channels.

From your original post, you stated, "The entire analog FM band now sounds like a swath of unlistenable junk"

On the "FM" band there is no HD noise. Yes, there is noise on HD "AM" stations. But you're claiming it happens on the FM band as well. It doesn't.
 
> > *sigh* You are just not listening are you?! My car radio
>
> > during a search now stops on all HD channels. Those
> > channels are unlistenable noise on my non HD car radio.
> So,
> > for every channel that has HD, my car radio now stops 2
> more
> > times per channel and lands on NOISE.
> >
> > This in turn gives the effect that the entire FM band is
> now
> > more noise with fewer actual channels. It's like a static
>
> > ghost town during an automatic search.
>
> You're slightly confused about how HD works. HD only
> generates noise on the AM band, not the FM band. Your radio
> either has a bad FM antenna or the radio itself has become
> sensitive to the weaker splash from stations on the FM band.
>
>
> How old is your radio? It could be time for a new one. You
> may also have something amiss in the car itself that causes
> interference on the FM band.
>
You are soooooo wrong about HD Radio not generating any noise! It does on both
sides of the main channel and the antenna is not the problem!
 
> You are soooooo wrong about HD Radio not generating any
> noise! It does on both
> sides of the main channel and the antenna is not the
> problem!

YES, but only on the AM band. The original poster was claiming this was happening on the FM band.

Quoting from the original post, it says, "The entire analog FM band now sounds like a swath of unlistenable junk". Notice the "FM"? Perhaps that was a typo, and he/she actually meant AM.

I am in the Dallas, Texas area. We have a handful of FM stations in the market running HD. I find none of them producing adjacent channel noise. If there is any noise at all, it is white noise, which has been around since the dawn of FM. I also have two analog radios with scanning mode. One of them dates back to the late 1980’s. Neither of the radios stops on adjacent channels of the FM stations running HD, while scanning for stations.

On the AM side, I have indeed heard the HD noise on at least KRLD AM. They are at 1080 and the HD noise is clear as day on 1070 and 1090.
 
Here is what I am saying. On the FM band, when I do an auto search, it pauses on the HD stations twice per station. Those statiopns are NOISE! Now there is MORE noise while doing a search. It makes the entire FM band appear to be more noise than channels.

I can't explain it any simpler man. You are just gonna have to work with that.
 
>
> You are soooooo wrong about HD Radio not generating any
> noise! It does on both
> sides of the main channel and the antenna is not the
> problem!
>


Thank you! finally a voice of reason! The FM HD channels on both sides of the regular analog channel do generate noise. It's a mix of noise (90%) with a bit of (10%) of the analog channel.

And when doing an auto seek/search the seek pauses on those HD channels and you get noise. It's annoying when doing a seek. Lots more noise on the entire FM band when doing a seek.

For people who do not have, or know of, HD it just makes the entire FM band seem like there are fewer stations and more noise. Like a ghost town or something.
 
> > You are soooooo wrong about HD Radio not generating any
> > noise! It does on both
> > sides of the main channel and the antenna is not the
> > problem!
>
> YES, but only on the AM band. The original poster was
> claiming this was happening on the FM band.
>

It does it on the FM band in my car and the antenna is good. FM just got a lot noiser with less music is how it comes across to me without an HD radio.
 
> It does it on the FM band in my car and the antenna is good.
> FM just got a lot noiser with less music is how it comes
> across to me without an HD radio.

I still say it's a problem specific with your radio, such as multi-path distortion. If I were you, I'd go to the Engineering board here at RI and describe your problem in there. Hopefully someone with more in depth knowledge will be able to help you figure out what is going on. Good luck!
 
> > It does it on the FM band in my car and the antenna is
> good.
> > FM just got a lot noiser with less music is how it comes
> > across to me without an HD radio.
>
> I still say it's a problem specific with your radio, such as
> multi-path distortion. If I were you, I'd go to the
> Engineering board here at RI and describe your problem in
> there. Hopefully someone with more in depth knowledge will
> be able to help you figure out what is going on. Good luck!
>


I am not that worried about it. I'll be getting XM soon enough.
 
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