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Commercial Radio Streaming Ruined by Repetitive Ads

I was going to add this comment to the New 96.1 thread. But I thought it deserves its own since this applies to other broadcasting groups as well. They’re all ruining the streaming experience because of repetitive ads. I’ll explain:

I downloaded the New 96.1 app this afternoon to check out the new branding. I must have logged into a station stop set. I was bombarded with nothing but ads for five minutes. It was a mix of ads that were stream-only and some running on both radio and the stream. It was a disaster. Radio ads were cut out by stream ads after a couple of seconds. I must have heard the same Spectrum Business stream-only ad three times in that five minute stretch. Then, the opposite — radio ads running on the stream were joined in progress after the stream-only ad finished. It was unlistenable! Townsquare has a reputation of being all about the digital realm. But this was a big fail on their part. Finally, the music came on. But there were two — maybe three — songs before another stop set. And there it was — the Spectrum Business ad again. I picked up the phone and deleted the app.

But Townsquare is not alone. I’ve had several email exchanges with tech support at Audacy over their streaming ad policy. Again, the same ads are played over and over. A few are in Spanish! Arghhh! I was listening to Hank Nevins on a Sunday morning this summer. The content was great. Hank knows how to relate to his listeners. But in the stop sets, the same Zoom Tan ad ran four times in 20 minutes. What made it especially annoying was that Zoom was promoting a “Christmas in July” special that included the most obnoxious Christmas jingle the ad agency could find. It was July. I didn‘t want to be reminded of the snow and cold headed our way.

Has anyone else noticed this? Are you as bothered as I am? I get it. Commercials provide the revenue that keep stations running. When listening on the radio, there is a variety of sponsors so that we’re not bombarded by the same ads. Some aggressive sponsors may have a heavy rotation. But that never bothered me until I started streaming commercial stations. Please know that I understand from a marketing perspective that an ad needs to run a specific number of times for the message to resonate. But three times in the same spot set? Maybe ten times an hour?

Is anyone in management listening to their streams? Is anyone paying attention? When I’m annoyed by repetitive ads, I simply turn off the stream. You’ve lost me as a listener. There are so many other alternatives out there. I frankly wonder how commercial music stations will survive when they run two, or in some cases, three five minute stop sets per hour. There are no more DJs like Dan Neaverth, Sandy Beach or Jack Armstrong who added so much to the music radio experience. For $10 a month for Apple Music, I have access to anything I want, commercial-free. Or I’ll log into Tom Schuh’s station, Cool 101, on Live 365, which limits commercials to something I can live with — two two-minute stop sets an hour. My commercial radio listening experience seems to be in-car only these days. When a stop set begins, I’m punching a button and going elsewhere.
 
Mark, the problem that you encountered was the app. I have 27 stations on my Android Samsung phone, none using an app. What I do is Google the stations main page (in this case Star 96.1 Buffalo) and open only the main link, not Listen Now or whatever other choices are presented. If there is a Listen button on the main page I'll open it. In most cases, it will take you to the live broadcast stream. Some will not work A few will give one ad only, the same one each time you log in (they are obviously paying for the stream). If it works and you want to save the station's streaming, tap the 3 dots at the upper right and save the station's stream to your home page. The second time I tested the Star link, it gave me an option to download the app. I ignored it. Next test took me right to the stream with Maroon 5 playing.
 
Is anyone at the station listening? No. Can they do anything about it? No.
That speaks volumes about indifference. Management at many stations have no clue to what is on the air (stream or traditional signal). They don't have any say in the programming anyway (Corporate says plug this in). The Audacy websites are totally embarrassing and worthless. It's a symptom of a terminally ill industry...
 
That speaks volumes about indifference.

You really don't understand, do you? Management isn't responsible for the stream.

You're not "indifferent" if it's not your job. Streams are run by a different hierarchy,

The commercials are targeted to the user. So the OP's commercials are likely different from someone else's.
 
You really don't understand, do you? Management isn't responsible for the stream.

You're not "indifferent" if it's not your job. Streams are run by a different hierarchy,

The commercials are targeted to the user. So the OP's commercials are likely different from someone else's.
I said that local Management has no say about the stream. They are indifferent. As you said, "Nobody at the station is listening" or cares...
 
I said that local Management has no say about the stream. They are indifferent. As you said, "Nobody at the station is listening" or cares...

Once again, it's not their job. But as I said, every person's version of the stream is different. So even if they listened, they'd likely hear different spots than the OP. In fact they might hear the live spots from the station. It depends on the stream.
 
Generally when you use an app to listen to the audio stream you start out with several minutes of commercials before you join the stream. I've experience that on pretty much all of the apps from major players. Once you join the stream, you do often get repetitive commercials simply because some advertisers aren't buying (or being bonused) the stream and other buyer are only buying the stream. I do agree that repetitive ads are annoying, but you also hear that OTA when stations are clearing national ad inventory.
 
Once again, it's not their job. But as I said, every person's version of the stream is different. So even if they listened, they'd likely hear different spots than the OP. In fact they might hear the live spots from the station. It depends on the stream.
I get this, Big A. I once compared the WGR stream on Alexa to what I was hearing on the Audacy app. The ads were different. But there was the same repetition. Believe me, I’m relieved when I hear a live spot being read on the stream. It’s hearing the same Spectrum Business spot that turns me off. The bottomline is that the system is broken. It needs to be fixed. I don’t have the technical expertise to figure out how. But the highest echelons at Audacy, Townsquare and elsewhere need to figure this out. Perhaps I’m an outlier. Maybe the average listeners hearing the same ads over and over while listening to their favorite stations on Alexa aren’t bothered by this. So be it! But it sure as heck is turning me off when I’m streaming my favorite stations. And in this competitive environment where there are so many alternatives, you’d think these companies would do all they can to keep people listening rather than compelling them to delete a station’s app like I did today.
 
And in this competitive environment where there are so many alternative, you’d think these companies would do all they can to keep people listening rather than compelling them to delete a station’s app like I did today.

Except things can be the same when you listen to Sirius or TuneIn or Pandora. I've found TuneIn can be especially abrupt. Advertisers buy impressions, so they are actually buying the repetition that bothers you. Why? Because repetition creates familiarity, and helps with comprehension, especially with audio. The other problem right now is the shortage of advertisers. So they run the spots they have. They're taking every and any dollar they can get. Some advertisers are concerned about that, and provide multiple versions of their ads. GEICO is one I can think of. So it may be the same sponsor, but you will hear a different ad in rotation.

Not everyone reacts the same way to repetition. CHR is built around repetition. Songs in heavy rotation can be heard every hour. Most music formats repeat some of the same songs at least 4 times a day. The younger the demo, the more repetition. The purpose is the same: To build familiarity. Those formats also aren't built around long TSL. They're built for quarter hours. I recently did a study about podcasts, and found that most listeners are only there for 10-15 minutes. If the podcast is longer, it goes unheard. That explains the pre-roll. They want you to hear the commercial at the beginning, while you're still there. We live in a short attention span world. That may not apply to you, but mass media deals with the law of averages.
 
I get this, Big A. I once compared the WGR stream on Alexa to what I was hearing on the Audacy app. The ads were different. But there was the same repetition. Believe me, I’m relieved when I hear a live spot being read on the stream. It’s hearing the same Spectrum Business spot that turns me off. The bottomline is that the system is broken. It needs to be fixed. I don’t have the technical expertise to figure out how. But the highest echelons at Audacy, Townsquare and elsewhere need to figure this out. Perhaps I’m an outlier. Maybe the average listeners hearing the same ads over and over while listening to their favorite stations on Alexa aren’t bothered by this. So be it! But it sure as heck is turning me off when I’m streaming my favorite stations. And in this competitive environment where there are so many alternatives, you’d think these companies would do all they can to keep people listening rather than compelling them to delete a station’s app like I did today.
Google is feeding you audio ads in the stream based on your location.
 
I can't stand streaming radio for this reason. The repetitive ads and the fact some force you to listen to an ad before joining live programming already in progress. It just feels inauthentic.
 
pepsiru1es92 - How do you feel about ads on You Tube? Or repetitive text message ads? Do the ads you hear on Internet streaming radio make an impression on you, more so than the ads on other Internet content? Such as pop-ups on websites, Facebook ads, the large quantity of paid content on Google Earth and Google Maps, etc. Do you notice "helpful" locations of businesses on Google map products? Many of those are paid ads.

Specifically, do you have a stronger reaction to ads on radio stations than on other media?
If the answer is yes, does this tell you something about the effectiveness of the linear broadcast model used by traditional over-the-air radio?

At this time, distribution of audio content at scale on the Internet is more expensive than using an over-the-air licensed radio station. Stand-alone over-the-radio broadcasters with more than a few streaming listeners pay a content distribution network (CDN) to make the station available on the Internet. The broadcaster can pay less and accept pre-roll and inserted ads, or pay more for no ads.

Over-the-air broadcasters do not have to pay a third party for geo-targeting of Internet streaming ads, the local over-the-air broadcast does this automatically.

pepsiru1es92- commercials and ads are how you pay for "free" content. If you don't like the additional ads on Internet delivered audio content, listen to over-the-air radio.

Also, your AM or FM radio listening is private. No one knows specifically where you are or what you are listening to.
I think this is a major advantage of over-the-air broadcasting. What do you think?
 
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To be clear- I am not criticizing radio broadcasters. They are making their content available to the audience any way the audience wants to hear it. That is just good business.

Instead, I am intrigued by consumer choices and how they respond to marketing.
 
pepsiru1es92 - How do you feel about ads on You Tube? Or repetitive text message ads? Do the ads you hear on Internet streaming radio make an impression on you, more so than the ads on other Internet content? Such as pop-ups on websites, Facebook ads, the large quantity of paid content on Google Earth and Google Maps, etc. Do you notice "helpful" locations of businesses on Google map products? Many of those are paid ads.

Specifically, do you have a stronger reaction to ads on radio stations than on other media?
If the answer is yes, does this tell you something about the effectiveness of the linear broadcast model used by traditional over-the-air radio?

At this time, distribution of audio content at scale on the Internet is more expensive than using an over-the-air licensed radio station. Stand-alone over-the-radio broadcasters with more than a few streaming listeners pay a content distribution network (CDN) to make the station available on the Internet. The broadcaster can pay less and accept pre-roll and inserted ads, or pay more for no ads.

Over-the-air broadcasters do not have to pay a third party for geo-targeting of Internet streaming ads, the local over-the-air broadcast does this automatically.

pepsiru1es92- commercials and ads are how you pay for "free" content. If you don't like the additional ads on Internet delivered audio content, listen to over-the-air radio.

Also, your AM or FM radio listening is private. No one knows specifically where you are or what you are listening to.
I think this is a major advantage of over-the-air broadcasting. What do you think?
You bring up some thought-provoking points in your post, Greg. Indeed, I have little problems with other forms of Internet advertising. Maybe this is fodder for a formal study by a marketing guru somewhere. When pop-ups appear on a Buffalo News article I want to read, I simply hit the “X” to close them. The ads that appear between paragraphs in the articles are like white noise to me. I scroll right through them without the product even registering in my brain. I quickly scroll through unwanted Facebook ads and stop at those that I might be interested in. I definitely appreciate the businesses that appear on Google Maps. I had no idea these companies were paying for such placement.

But repetitive ads in an audio stream? That’s a deal breaker for me. I guess the problem is you can’t scroll through them. I give credit to those who can tune them out. I can’t. Listen, I’m willing to tolerate a couple of ads when I ask Alexa to play the Big WECK from Tune In. I’ll accept the underwriting spot public stations play before joining the stream. What I find intolerable are ads in Spanish or the same Spectrum Business or Zoom Tan ads running more than half-a-dozen times in a half-hour, especially since I’ll never, ever use those products. But I don’t want to get repetitive by making the same points over and over. And yes, I’m retired. So, my time spent listening to audio streams is more than the average 20 something.

I will give some credit to Audacy. They’re coming up with new ways of presenting content on their app. When clicking on WGR, you can play specific segments from their various shows. After the big Bills win Sunday, I played three hours of Jeremy White’s “Football Monday” while traveling home from Michigan later in the day with minimal ads between the segments. The drive seemed to go faster, as the hosts, guests and listeners reveled in a huge win. Tuesday afternoon, I was able to go directly to “Howard Picks the Bills“ — one of my favorite segments. Great content for this die-hard Bills fan. Kudos to Audacy for giving online listeners options, especially those of us looking to avoid lengthy stop sets in real time streams.
 
Some of those spots you hear on Alexa are coming from Amazon. Every step in the chain wants to get paid. Same with TuneIn. The obvious solution is paying for content. Those options exist for Spotify and Pandora. It's all ad-free. I know radio broadcasters would prefer a subscription model to advertising. Some have actually built subscription software into their apps and websites, although it's not activated. Rush Limbaugh had a subscription model on his website. Subscribers received extra content and various other goodies. Broadcasters are creating unique content that has value. In this economy, advertising is not enough to cover the costs. So perhaps subscription apps are the way to go.
 
Exactly. Whenever I get repetitive ads while listening to a stream or podcast, my brain has become accustomed to just tuning them out. I know the ads are there, but it doesn't bother me.
Usually this is the case for me, but there are exceptions, usually relating to the content of the spots themselves. After my move, as an example, lacking a local all-news station in Denver , I've been streaming KCBS from time to time but, of course, getting Denver spots. There's one for "Repipe Specialists" that I would burn in a bonfire if I could. It's the kind of commercial - one that starts with a shrill kid yelling - that gets annoying after the first time you hear it. Well, it is memorable, but not necessarily in a good way.
 
pepsiru1es92 - How do you feel about ads on You Tube? Or repetitive text message ads? Do the ads you hear on Internet streaming radio make an impression on you, more so than the ads on other Internet content? Such as pop-ups on websites, Facebook ads, the large quantity of paid content on Google Earth and Google Maps, etc. Do you notice "helpful" locations of businesses on Google map products? Many of those are paid ads.

Specifically, do you have a stronger reaction to ads on radio stations than on other media?
If the answer is yes, does this tell you something about the effectiveness of the linear broadcast model used by traditional over-the-air radio?

At this time, distribution of audio content at scale on the Internet is more expensive than using an over-the-air licensed radio station. Stand-alone over-the-radio broadcasters with more than a few streaming listeners pay a content distribution network (CDN) to make the station available on the Internet. The broadcaster can pay less and accept pre-roll and inserted ads, or pay more for no ads.

Over-the-air broadcasters do not have to pay a third party for geo-targeting of Internet streaming ads, the local over-the-air broadcast does this automatically.

pepsiru1es92- commercials and ads are how you pay for "free" content. If you don't like the additional ads on Internet delivered audio content, listen to over-the-air radio.

Also, your AM or FM radio listening is private. No one knows specifically where you are or what you are listening to.
I think this is a major advantage of over-the-air broadcasting. What do you think?
I have been using ad-blockers to browse the web for at least a decade at this point. I only watch YouTube on my PC for this reason--I find their ads insufferable. When/if their ad-blocker killing update rolls out, I'll probably subscribe to YT Premium. Any place advertising on Google Maps is automatically less appealing to me if I'm looking for a place to eat, for example.

My point was I prefer to listen to the AM or FM broadcasts themselves because of the different ads. It's much easier to change the stations too. On a standard radio I can go from a Cumulus station to a Townsquare one to an Audacy one in three seconds and hear exactly what they're playing right now. No need to wait for Alexa to move to the different platforms and play its pre-roll ad.

I think streaming radio should work like YouTube TV or Sling, selecting the live broadcast fast tracks you to the live broadcast just the same as picking it up with an antenna. If I click on WBEN at 11:59:59pm I should hear the news just the same as I would on the radio, perhaps with a short delay due to technical limitations. I should hear the exact same commercials I would hear on the radio. Until/Unless it functions this way, I'm not interested in using it.

Yes, I realize there will be some subtle differences between watching on YouTube TV and cable regarding local insertion. Hell, I think the cable companies even show different ads on the local affiliates. Ever notice how on cable you never see an ad for Spectrum Internet, Wifi and Mobile for $49.99, even on say WIVB's local news? But it's much more seamless and takes a trained eye to notice. The lack of that seamlessness is what irks me with streaming radio.
 
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