it's about time a Dance CHR should be attempted

[TonySantiago]

Tony, its not about a name being a hit, its the song that has to be a hit. Thats where a PD comes into play. They are the ones that are "suppose" to make that decision. I think you are looking into it to much with name recognition, instead of their are hit songs and songs that are stiffs. Every genre of music has its hits. Dance music has hits and they vary from station to station. Should I play every dance record that comes my way? No, then I would be doing be doing my job as a PD and it would kill my listening audience.

Obviously, the song has to be a hit. And yes, the PD has to decide that. This is just me, but put me in that shoe and I strongly believe that I would give some songs that have that hit potential that "shot" over others. No, I'm not going to play EVERY song that comes to me because you do have stuff out there that won't cut it. But for a strong dance/rhythmic station I would give more of the opportunity. 'KTU is not like that because their focus is different. ONCE AGAIN, nothing wrong with that because it's obviously what works for them and nothing against Bartel or Rob Miller, BUT there are tracks that are played on, lets say, your station that won't be on 'KTU. 92.3 Now? They are CHR and I'm grateful that they are as dance friendly as they can be, but I also know they are CHR and can only go so far.

What I'm saying? New York needs that dance intensive station again for our artists to get that shot.

Stations have x amount of spots for new songs. So they pick the best. Its like a baseball team, a team is going to put its best on the field. If they are not good enough they get sent down to the minors or they do make it at all. I dreamed of making the NBA when I was younger, however Im barely 6ft slow 38 year old, that has no shot, even though Im deadly behind the 3pt line.

Bartel did discuss that at the radio panel. And for what 'KTU does, they only want the solid hits. Once again, I get that. But there is a different dance music audience out there that is not served by a 'KTU and wants a bit of an edge. I'm not saying necessarily to bring a DriveFX down here; whatever works in the Hudson Valley region of New York may not work here. But at least get that edge and cater it to NYC and the tastes down here that go beyond what a 'KTU is allowed to do.

Commercial radio isnt about getting artists shots, you got to prove you are good enough.

Of course. And there are many of our artists that ARE good enough. But we don't have the outlets catered towards us, (outside of you, DriveFX and C89.5). Bring on more of those and things CAN be proven. Oh yeah, I do remember what you said about the stories. We need the opportunity to create those stories. Not every story is going to have a happy ending but for those that do, that is what we have to be proud of and continue to support.

You mention KTU doesnt represent us, but ask an artist what station they want to get on.

Because it's the ONLY THING HERE that comes remotely close to dance.

With the mixshows, how does DJ Joe Blow help your station? You are opening a door for someone which is great, but what is the return investment? Now if they have big residencies in your city thats makes sense but bedroom DJ Joe Blow brings what to the table?

Pardon my visionary thinking here but (and I am basing this on my online show), we DO have name DJ's that spin on occasion and there are some DJ's that I've heard that may not be a name, but deserve that chance. And, believe it or not, I DO think in terms of a financial return (I wouldn't do this to give "favors" to people) If they deserve the shot and are good at what they do, then they deserve it. Then "Joe Blow" can be that next "name". And when you get down to it, everyone was once a "Joe Blow".

My point is that these DJ's are the face of the genre right now and they should be helping the promote the industry.

Right there, I TOTALLY AGREE!

 

[RadioPhillyFan]

... Is New York as much of a club city? I mean, LA, Vegas, AC, Miamiand Philly all have bars, casinos, nightclubs and strip clubs. (Not saying NYC doesn't have any)

 

[TonySantiago]

... Is New York as much of a club city? I mean, LA, Vegas, AC, Miamiand Philly all have bars, casinos, nightclubs and strip clubs. (Not saying NYC doesn't have any)

Oh yeah, New York is a club city. And you can add the surrounding areas of Northern New Jersey and Long Island into this.

 

[RadioPhillyFan]

Yeah, always wondered that about NYC. I figured with the sheer size and fame the city has it was loaded.

 

[Dancerev889]

What I'm saying about KTU isn't just about NYC, in this "format" across the country's they are still top dog. look at from that angle. Tony I would love to see a dance station come to life, but it's gonna come from a smaller market than NYC. Heck Nassau broadcasting is up for bankruptcy maybe something there.

 

[Saladressing]

There have been Commercial Dance CHRs in major markets in the past (not counting present-day Jelli/Vegas) in cities such as Dallas, Phoenix, Los Angeles, Denver and more, and ultimately their owners took them off the air for lack of ratings. Signal strength was a major issue with many of these stations and other issues likely came into play as well.

However, these stations all aired before the uptempo pop wave at CHR of the last few years. Theoretically, listeners are much more predisposed to a pure dance sound today than they were 5 years ago. It's going to take a dance station success story on a decent signal in a major market to get other markets to stand up and take notice. This is how all of these niche formats (Variety Hits, 90s Hits, etc.) have started.

 

[TonySantiago]

What I'm saying about KTU isn't just about NYC, in this "format" across the country's they are still top dog. look at from that angle. Tony I would love to see a dance station come to life, but it's gonna come from a smaller market than NYC. Heck Nassau broadcasting is up for bankruptcy maybe something there.

Like I had said, I'm not knocking 'KTU for what they are in terms of the audience that they serve. They have been on the rise in terms of the latest PPM's and are one of the top billing stations in the country; sure. But for what they are, they may play rhythmic and dance tracks and they call themselves "feel good", but they are rhythmic A/C with the slant towards women. I'm sure there are guys my age that tune in (I know JustinCase on this board likes 'KTU and he's younger than me) but for those that want things a bit edgier, 'KTU isn't it. And there are enough people in the New York area to justify an edgier dance station as well as the Philly area not covered by what you're doing.

Smaller market? you're most likely right on that. But looking at the properties Nassau Broadcasting has, I highly doubt any of those stations may flip. MAYBE Allentown, PA but even that, I doubt it.

Granted, DriveFX is not THAT far from me (about an hour and change north of New York City) but they are running on two translators. They ARE covering the cities in the region (Newburgh, Middletown, Poughkeepsie, Kingston) as well as the suburban areas around it (Route 9 - Dutchess, Route 17 - Orange) but while better than the signal Pulse 87 gave out, they still come nowhere near what K-104 (WSPK) and 96.1 Kiss (WPKF) covers. Also add to the fact that K-104 is the "Z-100" there so no way are they ever going to try to beat them.

But the station is getting a nice buzz going. How that translates to $$$$ remains to be seen since I've heard a few ads there (mainly clubs). If they are starting from "scratch" in that sense, then they need to try to pound more pavement in terms of local business outside of just clubs. I believe they landed a car dealership so that is a beginning. If they can somehow land a national client, that would be a big help. I want this station to do good because for me, that would be my "proof". And if this "little station that could" can cause that ripple effect to places like NYC and Philadelphia (outside of what you're doing) then that would be hot.

 

[DJ_Perry]

But for what they are, they may play rhythmic and dance tracks and they call themselves "feel good", but they are rhythmic A/C with the slant towards women.

Keep in mind, the term as a whole "A/C" has totally shifted recently. It use to mean Celine Dion and Elton John, but now in Phx, our A/C stations play Lady Gaga, Katy Perry, and BEP. Those same artists can also be branded as Dance, Pop, or even Rhythmic. It seems there is a fine line now and almost anything can pass as a particular format, especially with adults more open and exposed to these trends that the youth follows. It's a whole different ratio today with the parents my age, as opposed to my youth where my parents hardly knew my music

 

[Dancerev889]

Remember who those AC stations are targeting....Soccer moms and they are in those late 20's early 30's.

 

[RadioPhillyFan]

Remember who those AC stations are targeting....Soccer moms and they are in those late 20's early 30's.

B101 flat out advertises it too "Picking up the kids, driving them to the game, just put on B101 and you'll get it done"

Station drives me nuts, it doesn't change with the times. They are stIll a Gold-Bassed AC REFUSING to play even Katy Perry. My personal favorite AC is almost an AC leaning CHR - Millersburg's 98.9 (suburb of Harrisburg)

 

[Dancerev889]

Remember who those AC stations are targeting....Soccer moms and they are in those late 20's early 30's.

B101 flat out advertises it too "Picking up the kids, driving them to the game, just put on B101 and you'll get it done"

Station drives me nuts, it doesn't change with the times. They are stIll a Gold-Bassed AC REFUSING to play even Katy Perry. My personal favorite AC is almost an AC leaning CHR - Millersburg's 98.9 (suburb of Harrisburg)

that station is number 1 in the market more times than any other station. It may drive you nuts but it makes a ton of money and can be heard in most offices in the Philly area

 

[RadioPhillyFan]

Remember who those AC stations are targeting....Soccer moms and they are in those late 20's early 30's.

B101 flat out advertises it too "Picking up the kids, driving them to the game, just put on B101 and you'll get it done"

Station drives me nuts, it doesn't change with the times. They are stIll a Gold-Bassed AC REFUSING to play even Katy Perry. My personal favorite AC is almost an AC leaning CHR - Millersburg's 98.9 (suburb of Harrisburg)

that station is number 1 in the market more times than any other station. It may drive you nuts but it makes a ton of money and can be heard in most offices in the Philly area

True, and they haven't been in #1 as much since Mix took a bite out of them, and Q102 (it's like in between Q and B).

 

[Dancerev889]

Their cume is still number one

 

[TonySantiago]

Okay, we now have KDHT in Denver

It's a big market so let's see how this pans out. If this station becomes that "success story", then more dance stations will hopefully be on the way

 

[RadioPhillyFan]

Okay, we now have KDHT in Denver

It's a big market so let's see how this pans out. If this station becomes that "success story", then more dance stations will hopefully be on the way

Streaming it, If this works, it could happen in Philly.

If it happens in Philly and does well, where wouldn't it be a viable format?

 

[Jeffrey]

Wow those are tight rotations for Hot 97.5. LOVE the uptempo feel, but might as well just load up the 15 tracks they play on your phone and spin them over and over every day, you'll get the same experience, minus the commercials.

looks about as tight at 92.3 NOW in New York. I love the rhythmic CHR lean but with such tight play list listening over an hour is tough to stomach.

 

[TonySantiago]

looks about as tight at 92.3 NOW in New York. I love the rhythmic CHR lean but with such tight play list listening over an hour is tough to stomach.

From our POV as core fans it may be tough. But then again, this is day one so they're eventually going to tweak the format along the way to get a better direction of where to go with this. But this IS a good start

 

[RadioPhillyFan]

Okay, we now have KDHT in Denver

It's a big market so let's see how this pans out. If this station becomes that "success story", then more dance stations will hopefully be on the way

Max Media is the kind of company we need in radio today. If only CC would learn from MM.

 

[TonySantiago]

Max Media is the kind of company we need in radio today. If only CC would learn from MM.

There aren't many "mom and pop" companies in radio left so if they can pull something off, that would be fantastic.

 

[2Son]

Wow those are tight rotations for Hot 97.5. LOVE the uptempo feel, but might as well just load up the 15 tracks they play on your phone and spin them over and over every day, you'll get the same experience, minus the commercials.

I know, right? Well, here's hoping they starting adding some more tracks.

I'm happy KMVA has added David Guetta ft. Sia "Titanium" into regular rotation.