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Time to pull the plug...

M

MediaVet

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.09 for KOKC in the latest ratings....

Renda needs to cut their losses...ditch talk..Simulcast FM and bring back the legendary KOMA to 1520.

This may not happen soon, but by the way things are looking...it will happen eventually, I suppose.
 
> Correction -- 0.9 (hahaha)
>

0.9 is MUCH better than 0.09 - an order of magnitude better! Why that's 10 times the ratings!

Its sad to see a station's ratings fall so far when KOKC has a great signal.
 
> .09 for KOKC in the latest ratings....
>
> Renda needs to cut their losses...ditch talk..Simulcast FM
> and bring back the legendary KOMA to 1520.
>
> This may not happen soon, but by the way things are
> looking...it will happen eventually, I suppose.
>


Pull the plug on the crappy talk radio, since nobody wants to listen to the morning show or Laura Ingrahm, flip the switch back to oldies tonight after the game. Its the truth 1520 KOKC doese SUCKS.

Metal Man
 
> > Correction -- 0.9 (hahaha)
> >
>
> 0.9 is MUCH better than 0.09 - an order of magnitude better!
> Why that's 10 times the ratings!
>
> Its sad to see a station's ratings fall so far when KOKC has
> a great signal.
>

You know what's the funniest thing about the whole talk 1520 thing? THEY HAD HIGHER RATINGS WHEN THEY SIMULCASTED OLDIES! I'll say it again as I've said before. KOKC is a 50,000 watt WASTE of electricity. KOKC, the station everyone in the market is laughing at. It just proves the insanity that today's radio is all about.

Hell, at least in the past they were number one.. that is 1.0. Sucks to be 1520, huh? Renda are you listening? Your baby is mighty, mighty ugly lookin! Oh well.. If it weren't for 1520, we would have to actually go looking for something to pick on. With 1520 stink'in so bad, there's no reason to look too far, huh? So, see!? KOKC serves a useful purpose after all!

--- THE Insultant ---
 
I NEVER thought I'd see the day when an owner group would let 50k watts go to waste.

Thank YOU deregulation!

*(disclaimer: Gary Thompson understands that consolidation is the way radio is done in modern times and agrees to continue work whole heartedly, professionally and with passion in a consolidation environment. The aforementioned Mr. Thompson also states for the record that he even appreciates the working environment, managment and operating philosophy in select consolidated entities. Said employee also states that the above comments 'against deregulation' were made for the benefit of social environment and comic affect)

Just a little something for the boys in HR there at the end.







> > > Correction -- 0.9 (hahaha)
> > >
> >
> > 0.9 is MUCH better than 0.09 - an order of magnitude
> better!
> > Why that's 10 times the ratings!
> >
> > Its sad to see a station's ratings fall so far when KOKC
> has
> > a great signal.
> >
>
> You know what's the funniest thing about the whole talk 1520
> thing? THEY HAD HIGHER RATINGS WHEN THEY SIMULCASTED
> OLDIES! I'll say it again as I've said before. KOKC is a
> 50,000 watt WASTE of electricity. KOKC, the station
> everyone in the market is laughing at. It just proves the
> insanity that today's radio is all about.
>
<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by GaryThompson on 10/30/05 10:12 PM.</FONT></P>
 
> I NEVER thought I'd see the day when an owner group would
> let 50k watts go to waste.
>
> Thank YOU deregulation!
>
> *(disclaimer: Gary Thompson understands that consolidation
> is the way radio is done in modern times and agrees to
> continue work whole heartedly, professionally and with
> passion in a consolidation environment. The aforementioned
> Mr. Thompson also states for the record that he even
> appreciates the working environment, managment and operating
> philosophy in select consolidated entities. Said employee
> also states that the above comments 'against deregulation'
> were made for the benefit of social environment and comic
> affect)
>
> Just a little something for the boys in HR there at the end.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > > > Correction -- 0.9 (hahaha)
> > > >
> > >
> > > 0.9 is MUCH better than 0.09 - an order of magnitude
> > better!
> > > Why that's 10 times the ratings!
> > >
> > > Its sad to see a station's ratings fall so far when KOKC
>
> > has
> > > a great signal.
> > >
> >
> > You know what's the funniest thing about the whole talk
> 1520
> > thing? THEY HAD HIGHER RATINGS WHEN THEY SIMULCASTED
> > OLDIES! I'll say it again as I've said before. KOKC is a
>
> > 50,000 watt WASTE of electricity. KOKC, the station
> > everyone in the market is laughing at. It just proves the
>
> > insanity that today's radio is all about.
> >
>

Hahahahaha! There's a new image for 1520: The END! AM 1520, the END. When you need a station real bad, we've got a really BAD station at the top END of your dial, and the bottom of the ratings heap!

<P ID="signature">______________
--- THE Insultant ---</P>
 
> I NEVER thought I'd see the day when an owner group would
> let 50k watts go to waste.
> Thank YOU deregulation!

Blaming deregulation is the politically correct thing to do, but it's probably the smallest problem facing 1520 if it's even been a problem at all. The two biggest problems with KOMA on AM were Docket 80-90 and simply the change in the times.

As an example of Docket 80-90, my family lived in Albuquerque, NM in 1976. They listened to KOMA and KVOO after sunset for two reasons. One was that my mother was from Oklahoma, and my father had lived there for a substantial portion of his life. The other was that they were better than the offerings in Albuquerque. At that time, the FM dial in Albuquerque stopped at 100.3, and Santa Fe had about four FM's that did not cover Albuquerque well at all. In the early 80's, the Santa Fe stations became upgradable, and the Albuquerque/Santa Fe FM dial filled up rapidly with station being added at 95.1, 101.3, 101.7, 102.5, 103.3, 104.1, 105.1, 105.5, 105.9, 106.3, 107.1 and 107.9 in the next 20 years in addition to the Santa Fe stations that upgraded. This has been the norm in most markets. Oklahoma City has seen less of this, though there are still plenty of good examples. 93.3, 95.1, 96.9, 103.5, 105.7, 106.7 and, soon-to-be 97.3 have all gotten into OKC based on the same or similar principles. 97.7 upgrading to 97.9 is a lesser example of this. Also, I seem to remember 107.7 as being less than 30 years old and originally owned by a black broadcaster. So, it may be a docket 80-90 station as well.

All of these stations have made 50,000 watt AM signals less relevant than they used to be. Also, the times have changed. There was less of a demand for FM stations in the 70's, and that's part of why there wasn't an explosion of demand for FM stations until the end of the decade. Once FM listening became mainstream and standard, 1520 became less relevant as well. Using OKC as an example, many of the FM's used to air the eclectic rock formats, classical, jazz, easy listening, and other formats that were less widespread on AM. In fact, companies like Entercom became big by buying FM stations at bargain basement prices in the late 60's/early 70's and snapping up the popular formats as soon as FM became popular. Just about every original Entercom station aired classical, jazz, Spanish programming, eclectic rock and/or easy listening at one time in its history, and, of course, very few of them are airing those formats today.

It's these factors more than deregulation that have relegated 1520 to obscurity. KOMA 1520 had poor ratings for years. I don't remember 1520 having even a 2.0 share in its entire life as an oldies station, and it certainly didn't have that high of ratings after Lite Rock 102 flipped to oldies in either 1989 or 1990. Granted, it did better as an oldies station than it's doing now, and Renda could do stupider things than bringing that format back. However, don't expect such a format to get stellar ratings.
 
> > I NEVER thought I'd see the day when an owner group would
> > let 50k watts go to waste.
> > Thank YOU deregulation!
>
> Blaming deregulation is the politically correct thing to do,
> but it's probably the smallest problem facing 1520 if it's
> even been a problem at all. The two biggest problems with
> KOMA on AM were Docket 80-90 and simply the change in the
> times.
>
> As an example of Docket 80-90, my family lived in
> Albuquerque, NM in 1976. They listened to KOMA and KVOO
> after sunset for two reasons. One was that my mother was
> from Oklahoma, and my father had lived there for a
> substantial portion of his life. The other was that they
> were better than the offerings in Albuquerque. At that
> time, the FM dial in Albuquerque stopped at 100.3, and Santa
> Fe had about four FM's that did not cover Albuquerque well
> at all. In the early 80's, the Santa Fe stations became
> upgradable, and the Albuquerque/Santa Fe FM dial filled up
> rapidly with station being added at 95.1, 101.3, 101.7,
> 102.5, 103.3, 104.1, 105.1, 105.5, 105.9, 106.3, 107.1 and
> 107.9 in the next 20 years in addition to the Santa Fe
> stations that upgraded. This has been the norm in most
> markets. Oklahoma City has seen less of this, though there
> are still plenty of good examples. 93.3, 95.1, 96.9, 103.5,
> 105.7, 106.7 and, soon-to-be 97.3 have all gotten into OKC
> based on the same or similar principles. 97.7 upgrading to
> 97.9 is a lesser example of this. Also, I seem to remember
> 107.7 as being less than 30 years old and originally owned
> by a black broadcaster. So, it may be a docket 80-90
> station as well.
>
> All of these stations have made 50,000 watt AM signals less
> relevant than they used to be. Also, the times have
> changed. There was less of a demand for FM stations in the
> 70's, and that's part of why there wasn't an explosion of
> demand for FM stations until the end of the decade. Once FM
> listening became mainstream and standard, 1520 became less
> relevant as well. Using OKC as an example, many of the FM's
> used to air the eclectic rock formats, classical, jazz, easy
> listening, and other formats that were less widespread on
> AM. In fact, companies like Entercom became big by buying
> FM stations at bargain basement prices in the late
> 60's/early 70's and snapping up the popular formats as soon
> as FM became popular. Just about every original Entercom
> station aired classical, jazz, Spanish programming, eclectic
> rock and/or easy listening at one time in its history, and,
> of course, very few of them are airing those formats today.
>
>
> It's these factors more than deregulation that have
> relegated 1520 to obscurity. KOMA 1520 had poor ratings for
> years. I don't remember 1520 having even a 2.0 share in its
> entire life as an oldies station, and it certainly didn't
> have that high of ratings after Lite Rock 102 flipped to
> oldies in either 1989 or 1990. Granted, it did better as an
> oldies station than it's doing now, and Renda could do
> stupider things than bringing that format back. However,
> don't expect such a format to get stellar ratings.
>

KOMA 1520 did VERY well when they first went oldies with it back in 89. ( I think it was 89..) The newness wore off, and their ratings slumped some, then when KLTE went oldies they did quite poorly for several years. KOMA got the FM in 1992 and did even WORSE until mid-1993 when they fired their consultant Pete Salant and hired E. Alvin Davis. The ratings went up significantly, and in just a couple of years they had double digits.

<P ID="signature">______________
--- THE Insultant ---</P>
 
I remember KOMA-AM flipped to oldies in September-October of 1988. I have tape of it somewhere in my collection.

Its strange that programs like Laura Ingraham and Micheal Savage which get good/great ratings in other markets havent helped KOKC's ratings at all. OKC is just not a strong talk radio market.
 
> KOMA 1520 did VERY well when they first went oldies with it
> back in 89. ( I think it was 89..) The newness wore off, and
> their ratings slumped some, then when KLTE went oldies they
> did quite poorly for several years. KOMA got the FM in 1992
> and did even WORSE until mid-1993 when they fired their
> consultant Pete Salant and hired E. Alvin Davis. The
> ratings went up significantly, and in just a couple of years
> they had double digits.

Thanks for the information! I remember the ratings were horrendous after KLTE flipped. I also remember the end of KKNG Mix 92.5 and the beginning of KOMA-FM in 1992. As I recall, KOMA began doing better in 1993 but remained second fiddle to 101.9, which had become KOQL by that point, until Steve Robertson got ahold of KOOL 102 and flipped it to country.
 
OKC must be a somewhat strong market; almost every freaking AM station is talk format.
It seems a little over saturated.

Bring in a format that specializes in mid 70's to late 80's popular music to 1520. It will pick up where KOMA (FM)leaves off. It would work. And for heavens sake, change the call letters back to KOMA (AM).




> I remember KOMA-AM flipped to oldies in September-October of
> 1988. I have tape of it somewhere in my collection.
>
> Its strange that programs like Laura Ingraham and Micheal
> Savage which get good/great ratings in other markets havent
> helped KOKC's ratings at all. OKC is just not a strong talk
> radio market.
>
 
Talk stations, a '70s and '80s format

> Bring in a format that specializes in mid 70's to late 80's
> popular music to 1520. It will pick up where KOMA (FM)leaves
> off. It would work. And for heavens sake, change the call
> letters back to KOMA (AM).


Automated talk just will not work unless you mix with local talk.

KSKY in Dallas is owned by Salem -- religious, right-wing conservative talk -- perfect for DFW.

It got a .6 12+ last time I looked, and KSKY has the metroplex plastered with billboards.

In OKC, even WKY is doing better than the five and dime 1520. KOKC's management is clueless and won't spend the money.

The trouble with the music format you describe above is the is that a lot of mid '70s stuff does not mix with late '80s music.

So do you got to a straight old-hits format? Or pick and choose?

K-EARTH in Los Angeles is grappling with that now. How far into the '70s and '80s can a station go and retain its core base of loyal listeners.

You can run off listeners on both ends of the desired demos.

It is a real problem for pure oldies stations now.



> > I remember KOMA-AM flipped to oldies in September-October
> of
> > 1988. I have tape of it somewhere in my collection.
> >
> > Its strange that programs like Laura Ingraham and Micheal
> > Savage which get good/great ratings in other markets
> havent
> > helped KOKC's ratings at all. OKC is just not a strong
> talk
> > radio market.
> >
>
 
Re: Talk stations, a '70s and '80s format

> The trouble with the music format you describe above is the
> is that a lot of mid '70s stuff does not mix with late '80s
> music.
>
> So do you got to a straight old-hits format? Or pick and
> choose?
>
> K-EARTH in Los Angeles is grappling with that now. How far
> into the '70s and '80s can a station go and retain its core
> base of loyal listeners.
>
> You can run off listeners on both ends of the desired demos.
>
>
> It is a real problem for pure oldies stations now.

OK, I agree with you there, cut the playlist off at, say, early to mid 80's then. And let's just call it "The best of the 70's and 80's". Forget the term "oldies", let's leave that for the 50's & 60's stuff.

I looked at K-EARTH's web site, found their playlist, and it looks, well, how can I say this?....BORING.....no wonder their "grappling" with themselves. For example, "Foundations - Build Me Up Buttercup", UGH! When I'm listening to KOMA, and I hear that song (which is played ad nauseam), I want to smash the radio. But I usually just turn it down. :) However, I did see a handful of good songs on K-EARTH's list too.

There will have to eventually be a format available for the demographic of folks who (age wise) are into their 40's, and 50's. Or maybe stations don’t care to target folks in this age range?? I don't know.

I have no experience programming radio stations, so take what I say with a grain of salt. I'm no expert, just a guy in his mid 30's, explaining my take on the situation.
 
Re: Talk stations, a '70s and '80s format

Just gotta say something here. KOMA AM had a 1 share when they just dumped the FM on the 50-thousand watts.

It had a 1.7 within 8 months of flipping to talk and that's when their PD came on board and started 'fixing' the air sound.

Putting Music back on the AM makes as much sense as the current programming, neither will work. People don't listed to AM for music and they sure aren't going to listen to the talk crap KOKC puts out. WKY's growth in the ratings and KTOK's continued slow erosion is proof of that.

Good AM Talk radio costs money, and REnda won't spend it. Although they will spend 700 grand on plans for a new building, tear up CHannel fours front yard and then dump the plan when they realize Citadel will sell the building to them and would have in the first place. That's how stupid their management is.

Another example of Renda's insane management...KOKC"s PD is now "consulting" other Renda properties. JEEZE


> > The trouble with the music format you describe above is
> the
> > is that a lot of mid '70s stuff does not mix with late
> '80s
> > music.
> >
> > So do you got to a straight old-hits format? Or pick and
> > choose?
> >
> > K-EARTH in Los Angeles is grappling with that now. How
> far
> > into the '70s and '80s can a station go and retain its
> core
> > base of loyal listeners.
> >
> > You can run off listeners on both ends of the desired
> demos.
> >
> >
> > It is a real problem for pure oldies stations now.
>
> OK, I agree with you there, cut the playlist off at, say,
> early to mid 80's then. And let's just call it "The best of
> the 70's and 80's". Forget the term "oldies", let's leave
> that for the 50's & 60's stuff.
>
> I looked at K-EARTH's web site, found their playlist, and it
> looks, well, how can I say this?....BORING.....no wonder
> their "grappling" with themselves. For example, "Foundations
> - Build Me Up Buttercup", UGH! When I'm listening to KOMA,
> and I hear that song (which is played ad nauseam), I want to
> smash the radio. But I usually just turn it down. :)
> However, I did see a handful of good songs on K-EARTH's list
> too.
>
> There will have to eventually be a format available for the
> demographic of folks who (age wise) are into their 40's, and
> 50's. Or maybe stations don’t care to target folks in this
> age range?? I don't know.
>
> I have no experience programming radio stations, so take
> what I say with a grain of salt. I'm no expert, just a guy
> in his mid 30's, explaining my take on the situation.
>
 
Re: Talk stations, a '70s and '80s format

> > The trouble with the music format you describe above is
> the
> > is that a lot of mid '70s stuff does not mix with late
> '80s
> > music.
> >
> > So do you got to a straight old-hits format? Or pick and
> > choose?
> >
> > K-EARTH in Los Angeles is grappling with that now. How
> far
> > into the '70s and '80s can a station go and retain its
> core
> > base of loyal listeners.
> >
> > You can run off listeners on both ends of the desired
> demos.
> >
> >
> > It is a real problem for pure oldies stations now.
>
> OK, I agree with you there, cut the playlist off at, say,
> early to mid 80's then. And let's just call it "The best of
> the 70's and 80's". Forget the term "oldies", let's leave
> that for the 50's & 60's stuff.
>
> I looked at K-EARTH's web site, found their playlist, and it
> looks, well, how can I say this?....BORING.....no wonder
> their "grappling" with themselves. For example, "Foundations
> - Build Me Up Buttercup", UGH! When I'm listening to KOMA,
> and I hear that song (which is played ad nauseam), I want to
> smash the radio. But I usually just turn it down. :)
> However, I did see a handful of good songs on K-EARTH's list
> too.
>
> There will have to eventually be a format available for the
> demographic of folks who (age wise) are into their 40's, and
> 50's. Or maybe stations don’t care to target folks in this
> age range?? I don't know.
>
> I have no experience programming radio stations, so take
> what I say with a grain of salt. I'm no expert, just a guy
> in his mid 30's, explaining my take on the situation.
>

Actually, I think putting 50s-60s on the AM would be the smarter thing to do. Then KOMA-FM would be able to further take things up to 1980ish with their music, concentrating on the 70s even more. There's enough decent lesser talent around that place to fill the AM up with some live and a lot voice-tracked jocking. They wouldn't get filthly rich off it, but they could sell all the 30 dollar spots they could find room for, in my opinion. Sell direct and sell fairly cheap and load the SOB down with spots is the the key to makeing that deal work. The fringe benifit to all this would be that KOMA-FM would be rid of those that are still unhappy about the effective format change. I'm quite sure it's hard for their jocks to be as positive as they'd like to be when they most likely are still getting the "why don't you play this song anymore" calls quite regularly. Someone in this town really aught to service the over 54 crowd. 1520 would be a good place to do that. I agree someone aught to do an 80s format around here, but it needs to be on a low-powered FM'er. If the Tyler's get around to moving in Weatherford, that would be a good place for the 80s.

<P ID="signature">______________
--- THE Insultant ---</P>
 
Re: Talk stations, a '70s and '80s format

> Just gotta say something here. KOMA AM had a 1 share when
> they just dumped the FM on the 50-thousand watts.
>
> It had a 1.7 within 8 months of flipping to talk and that's
> when their PD came on board and started 'fixing' the air
> sound.
>
> Putting Music back on the AM makes as much sense as the
> current programming, neither will work. People don't listed
> to AM for music and they sure aren't going to listen to the
> talk crap KOKC puts out. WKY's growth in the ratings and
> KTOK's continued slow erosion is proof of that.
>
> Good AM Talk radio costs money, and REnda won't spend it.
> Although they will spend 700 grand on plans for a new
> building, tear up CHannel fours front yard and then dump the
> plan when they realize Citadel will sell the building to
> them and would have in the first place. That's how stupid
> their management is.
>
> Another example of Renda's insane management...KOKC"s PD is
> now "consulting" other Renda properties. JEEZE


One has to really wonder what planet that Tony Renda guy is living on actually. I'm quite sure channel 4/NY Times is wondering when the hell he's going to get through making an eyesore in front of their place. Talk about a bad neighbor! I for one would be LIVID if my next door neighbor and media partner tore up their yard, let it fill with water regularly, and parked a MOBILE HOME for crying out loud on their property in front of mine. In residental areas there's codes prohibiting tall grass and rutting a yard with parked cars. No mobile homes would be allowed at all in most areas of town. What Renda has done so far looks and is FAR worse than any southside sleasy neighborhood would ever allow. Digging up stuff and letting the grass grown up is just plain sick. Channel 4 must have a good sense of humor, for sure.

So what's the next crazy, insane, ignorant, goofy, mornonic thing that's going to come out of Renda? I think we all aught to start a guessing game here on Radio-info and see who can guess the next wierd event they will produce over there. Big fun in the big town for everyone!

And the strangeness keeps right on happening..






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--- THE Insultant ---</P>
 
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