things I would like to see...

[agreenbe]

hi...not from miami....but I do have access to most stations as they stream


this is my wishlist for miami radio......

jack..bob....john fm format
tweak big 105.9 format and have some classics from the 80's that are hairbands...similar to what some of the cc's play
93 rock should be more mainstream rock if the format can be done...something like wrif in detroit or 98 rock in tampa

create another talk station on AM
bring back a nostalga format for our "grey hair" community

 

[ScottBurns]

> hi...not from miami....but I do have access to most stations
> as they stream
>
>
> this is my wishlist for miami radio......
>
> jack..bob....john fm format
> tweak big 105.9 format and have some classics from the 80's
> that are hairbands...similar to what some of the cc's play
> 93 rock should be more mainstream rock if the format can be
> done...something like wrif in detroit or 98 rock in tampa
>
> create another talk station on AM
> bring back a nostalga format for our "grey hair" community
>

I agree on several of your points. Here are mine:
-93 Rock needs more personality. It needs to be geared to the market. The station sounds generic; if someone told me I was listening to a station from Des Moines, I would not doubt it. Zeta had personality. Why can't 93 Rock?
-Agreed about Big. Include more 80s and even early 90s Classic Alternative songs, such as Nirvana's "Teen Spirit."
-Beef up Neil Rogers' summer schedule!
-I know I will get slammed for this, but I think Miami has too many Hip-hop/R&B/CHR-Rhythmic. Power 96 has not sounded good in years; WEDR probably sounds best in the market. One of the many Rhythmic stations can and should be flipped.

 

[954]

> > hi...not from miami....but I do have access to most
> stations
> > as they stream
> >
> >
> > this is my wishlist for miami radio......
> >
> > jack..bob....john fm format
> > tweak big 105.9 format and have some classics from the
> 80's
> > that are hairbands...similar to what some of the cc's play
>
> > 93 rock should be more mainstream rock if the format can
> be
> > done...something like wrif in detroit or 98 rock in tampa
>
> >
> > create another talk station on AM
> > bring back a nostalga format for our "grey hair" community

OK/

> I agree on several of your points. Here are mine:
> -93 Rock needs more personality. It needs to be geared to
> the market. The station sounds generic; if someone told me
> I was listening to a station from Des Moines, I would not
> doubt it. Zeta had personality. Why can't 93 Rock?

Probably right.

> -Agreed about Big. Include more 80s and even early 90s
> Classic Alternative songs, such as Nirvana's "Teen Spirit."
> -Beef up Neil Rogers' summer schedule!
> -I know I will get slammed for this, but I think Miami has
> too many Hip-hop/R&B/CHR-Rhythmic.

Definitely.

> Power 96 has not sounded good in years;

Don't think it ever did.

> WEDR probably sounds best in the market. One
> of the many Rhythmic stations can and should be flipped.

One or more. But keep Tom Joyner.

73s from 954

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[Ai4i]

>
> bring back a nostalga format for our "grey hair" community
>

Adult Standards will be the format of WMGE <a target="_blank" href=http://www.clearchannel.com/Radio/PressRelease.aspx?PressReleaseID=1502>HD-2</a> on 94.9.
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[jcolletta275]

My wish list:

- Return the original names to the Clear Channel stations. We know it as Big 106. We know it as Y-100. This "Big 105.9" and "Y-100.7" crap is annoying the heck out of me. Y-100 has been known as Y-100 since 1974. There's no reason to change it now. Same goes for BGG.

- Power 96 needs to bring the dance back into their playlist and spruce things up big time. This is one of the few things I disagree with 954 on: Power 96 used to sound good. When they played a fairly even mix of pop, urban, hispanic and reggae music with a sprinkling of dance, that's when they were at their best. Right now they're in the toilet in terms of product quality, and their ratings reflect that.

- Y-100 needs some serious work of their own. I've said before that if they stop focusing so heavily on the mainstream and once again become a Miami station, they'd be killing.

- BRING THE CLASSICAL MUSIC BACK! Someone with a big stick... anyone... FLIP! PLEASE! WE NEED CLASSICAL MUSIC IN MIAMI AGAIN! And not on WLRN's HD sub-channel, either. No one actually owns an HD radio, and I'm not going out and buying a $200 table-top radio that's going to be useless in ten years just so I can listen to crappy 32-kbps audio streams over the air.

- Broward County needs some local talk. And the station that brings it to the air needs to have a decent web site with a stream, as well. It can work if it's done correctly... someone just needs to get the guts to do it.

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[954]

Thank you, JC!

> My wish list:
>
> - Return the original names to the Clear Channel stations.
> We know it as Big 106. We know it as Y-100. This "Big
> 105.9" and "Y-100.7" crap is annoying the heck out of me.
> Y-100 has been known as Y-100 since 1974. There's no reason
> to change it now. Same goes for BGG.

I'm sure you noticed the reason why. Their domain is 7miami.com.
So they can ID y100.7miami.com. Clever, but I don't like it
either.

As for Big 106/105.9, i created a cartoon about it, entitled
Clear Channel Math. You can see it at http://www.univox.com/radio/talkradiooo.html !
You can even buy a shirt with the cartoon:

http://www.cafepress.com/cp/prod.aspx?p=sflradiopages.31396378

Click the "view larger" link on that page so you can read the cartoon.

> - Power 96 needs to bring the dance back into their
> playlist and spruce things up big time. This is one of the
> few things I disagree with 954 on: Power 96 used to sound
> good. When they played a fairly even mix of pop, urban,
> hispanic and reggae music with a sprinkling of dance, that's
> when they were at their best. Right now they're in the
> toilet in terms of product quality, and their ratings
> reflect that.

No comment necessary.

> - Y-100 needs some serious work of their own. I've said
> before that if they stop focusing so heavily on the
> mainstream and once again become a Miami station, they'd be
> killing.

Probably right.

> - BRING THE CLASSICAL MUSIC BACK! Someone with a big
> stick... anyone... FLIP! PLEASE! WE NEED CLASSICAL MUSIC
> IN MIAMI AGAIN! And not on WLRN's HD sub-channel, either.
> No one actually owns an HD radio, and I'm not going out and
> buying a $200 table-top radio that's going to be useless in
> ten years just so I can listen to crappy 32-kbps audio
> streams over the air.

Yes! Yes! Yes! Oh yeahhhhhhhhhhhh!

Besides, you can listen to WLRN-HD, WPOW-HD, and
WKIS-HD on the web if you really want to. But the web
has so many more choices, who needs 'em?

> - Broward County needs some local talk. And the station
> that brings it to the air needs to have a decent web site
> with a stream, as well. It can work if it's done
> correctly... someone just needs to get the guts to do it.

Meanwhile you can listen to Broward talk on the
Steve Kane Show mornings on WWNN (1470), but he
seldom discusses anything other than abortion and
GLSEN and other religious right lightning rods.
I gotta say he's a nice guy and very intelligent,
regardless.

Different strokes...

> That's what I'd like to see.

Me 2.

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[agreenbe]

from what i have heard in the miami market as i can hear it on the net..miami radio is pretty awful compared to places like detroit and dallas...too many r/b's.......miami radio was better 10-15 years ago.

> > hi...not from miami....but I do have access to most
> stations
> > as they stream
> >
> >
> > this is my wishlist for miami radio......
> >
> > jack..bob....john fm format
> > tweak big 105.9 format and have some classics from the
> 80's
> > that are hairbands...similar to what some of the cc's play
>
> > 93 rock should be more mainstream rock if the format can
> be
> > done...something like wrif in detroit or 98 rock in tampa
>
> >
> > create another talk station on AM
> > bring back a nostalga format for our "grey hair" community
>
> >
>
> I agree on several of your points. Here are mine:
> -93 Rock needs more personality. It needs to be geared to
> the market. The station sounds generic; if someone told me
> I was listening to a station from Des Moines, I would not
> doubt it. Zeta had personality. Why can't 93 Rock?
> -Agreed about Big. Include more 80s and even early 90s
> Classic Alternative songs, such as Nirvana's "Teen Spirit."
> -Beef up Neil Rogers' summer schedule!
> -I know I will get slammed for this, but I think Miami has
> too many Hip-hop/R&B/CHR-Rhythmic. Power 96 has not sounded
> good in years; WEDR probably sounds best in the market. One
> of the many Rhythmic stations can and should be flipped.
>

 

[DavidEduardo]

> My wish list:
>
> - Return the original names to the Clear Channel stations.
> We know it as Big 106. We know it as Y-100. This "Big
> 105.9" and "Y-100.7" crap is annoying the heck out of me.
> Y-100 has been known as Y-100 since 1974. There's no reason
> to change it now. Same goes for BGG.

In some cases, as much as 80% of diary entries are for dial position only. A station that does not use its exact freqneucy is giving away a portion of its audience via ascription by imprecise dial references.
>
> - Y-100 needs some serious work of their own. I've said
> before that if they stop focusing so heavily on the
> mainstream and once again become a Miami station, they'd be
> killing.

They are, for all practical purposes, an AC station. And they bill very well.
>
> - BRING THE CLASSICAL MUSIC BACK! Someone with a big
> stick... anyone... FLIP! PLEASE! WE NEED CLASSICAL MUSIC
> IN MIAMI AGAIN! And not on WLRN's HD sub-channel, either.
> No one actually owns an HD radio, and I'm not going out and
> buying a $200 table-top radio that's going to be useless in
> ten years just so I can listen to crappy 32-kbps audio
> streams over the air.

The HD radios will have CD quality audio and be around $100 each by year end. Classical can not generate enough revenue to support the value of a full stick FM.
>
> - Broward County needs some local talk.

Broward is not a separate market. Since 1981, it has been part of the Miami market.

 

[954]

> The HD radios will have CD quality audio and be around $100
> each by year end.

Big deal. That's irrelevant.

Will the HD radios with multicast capabilities cost $100?

I've never spent close to $100 on a radio except an
excellent (but very obsolete) shortwave receiver.

And I don't plan to even buy a $29.95 HD radio when
I can get so many classical and jazz and oldies
choices on web radio.

When there's a cheap portable HD radio with
multicast capabilities, I'll consider it. Up
til then, HD does nothing for me that web radio can't do.

> Classical can not generate enough revenue
> to support the value of a full stick FM.

This was a wish list, not a prediction list, David.

> > - Broward County needs some local talk.
> Broward is not a separate market. Since 1981, it has been
> part of the Miami market.

And what does that have to do with the price of onions
in Bermuda? Get a clue, David.

The 1.8 million people who live in Broward are mainly
interested in what's happening in Broward. Defining
Broward as part of Dade doesn't change that fact.

Regardless of how the bureaucrats and ad agencies and
whoever else is involved decides to slice up the markets.

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[DavidEduardo]

> > The HD radios will have CD quality audio and be around
> $100
> > each by year end.
>
> Big deal. That's irrelevant.
>
> Will the HD radios with multicast capabilities cost $100?

All upcoming HD radios that follow the November desgn specs will be multicast.
>
> I've never spent close to $100 on a radio except an
> excellent (but very obsolete) shortwave receiver.

Well, the argument in many boards is that Satellite is the replacement for radio... and sat radios are but $100 plus $13 a month.
>
> And I don't plan to even buy a $29.95 HD radio when
> I can get so many classical and jazz and oldies
> choices on web radio.

Which is oh-so-portable.
>
> When there's a cheap portable HD radio with
> multicast capabilities, I'll consider it. Up
> til then, HD does nothing for me that web radio can't do.
>
> > Classical can not generate enough revenue
> > to support the value of a full stick FM.
>
> This was a wish list, not a prediction list, David.

I understand this. But I do not spend a lot of time wishing for a home on the Costa de Sol, as it is an impractical fantasy. In this context, a wish might be extpected to be somewhat nearer to reality.
>
> > > - Broward County needs some local talk.
> > Broward is not a separate market. Since 1981, it has been
> > part of the Miami market.
>
> And what does that have to do with the price of onions
> in Bermuda? Get a clue, David.

Why are you being rude? The fact that there is no longer a Broward market means that stations must try to serve a segment in both if they want to be financially successful.
>
> The 1.8 million people who live in Broward are mainly
> interested in what's happening in Broward. Defining
> Broward as part of Dade doesn't change that fact.

Maybe some are interested. But most, on the radio, will be interested in the same general appeal talk and news as is found in other markets. Yours is the argument often put forward for ¨New Jersey¨ radio stations, when 80% of NYJ is in the NY or Philly metros and looks for metro news, not local city and county news.
>
> Regardless of how the bureaucrats and ad agencies and
> whoever else is involved decides to slice up the markets.

Markets are determined by the OMB, based on a set of something like 30 variables, including commuting, shopping, distribution, etc. to determine if an area is an integrate ¨behaves as one¨ area.

It is funny how ad agencies get blamed for everything from the demise of oldies to, in this case, market definitions. The fact is, they have nothing at all to do with it.

 

[954]

> Markets are determined by the OMB, based on a set of
> something like 30 variables, including commuting, shopping,
> distribution, etc. to determine if an area is an integrate
> ¨behaves as one¨ area.
>
> It is funny how ad agencies get blamed for everything from
> the demise of oldies to, in this case, market definitions.
> The fact is, they have nothing at all to do with it.

In the next thread, you said "In 1980, the radio managers met to vote on consolidating the markets. The few small local signals voted against, and all the others, lead by Bill Viands of WIOD, voted for, under the theory that moving to a top 15 market ranking would bring millions of revenue in to the radio market."

So basically, your answer is that Dade and
Broward are in the same market "because I/we said so."

Not because it is in the interest of the people of
Broward, but because that's what the managers of
big stations wanted.

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[DavidEduardo]

> > Markets are determined by the OMB, based on a set of
> > something like 30 variables, including commuting,
> shopping,
> > distribution, etc. to determine if an area is an integrate
>
> > ¨behaves as one¨ area.
> >
> > It is funny how ad agencies get blamed for everything from
>
> > the demise of oldies to, in this case, market definitions.
>
> > The fact is, they have nothing at all to do with it.
>
> In the next thread, you said "In 1980, the radio managers
> met to vote on consolidating the markets. The few small
> local signals voted against, and all the others, lead by
> Bill Viands of WIOD, voted for, under the theory that moving
> to a top 15 market ranking would bring millions of revenue
> in to the radio market."
>
> So basically, your answer is that Dade and
> Broward are in the same market "because I/we said so."
>
> Not because it is in the interest of the people of
> Broward, but because that's what the managers of
> big stations wanted.

Miami and Ft. Lauderdale had been a MSA for much longer, and radio was playing catch-up by making the change. The TV market included Ft. Lauderdale from the 50's, in fact.

Marketers had long considered it a single market, and radio was simply hurting itself by not telling Arbitron to consolidate the markets to adjust to reality. Coincidentally, a few years before, around 1976, FM listening in the market had passed the half way point, so the coverage of the FMs determined the radio market.

Arbitron is paid for by radio stations. Embedded markets can be added and geography can be adjusted at their pleasure if the basic listening requirements are met. For example, the LA area broadcasters voted about 15 years ago to determine if the Inland Empire should be part of the metro survey area. The vote was not in favor, so it did not change.

The programming on stations is listener driven. But Arbitron is a sales tool, and only minimally a programming tool. So the ratings will reflect the market areas used by advertisers. You are confusing the business of raido, which is selling advertising, with the product it sells, which is the listener base.

 

[Ai4i]

> ...Steve Kane Show mornings on WWNN (1470)...
> I gotta say he's a nice guy and very intelligent,
> regardless.
>
> 73s from 954
>

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[954]

Steve Kane

http://www.univox.com/radio/kane2002.html

> > ...Steve Kane Show mornings on WWNN (1470)...
> > I gotta say he's a nice guy and very intelligent,
> > regardless.
> > 73s from 954
> Oh yes, I had the pleasure of meeting him a few months ago.

On the other hand, the same applies to Joyce
Kaufman (well, not a guy) and my impression
is they have hated each other's guts since
the WFTL days.

And this isn't like the Fred Allen-Jack Benny
rivalry, either. I really think it is real.

They're at opposite ends politically, though,
which probably explains a lot of it.

I bumped into Steve the other day at one
of his advertisers.

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[The-Major]

I Have A Wish List Too !

> My wish list:
>
> - Return the original names to the Clear Channel stations.
> We know it as Big 106. We know it as Y-100. This "Big
> 105.9" and "Y-100.7" crap is annoying the heck out of me.
> Y-100 has been known as Y-100 since 1974. There's no reason
> to change it now. Same goes for BGG.

Y-100 / Y-100.7 has been in existence since 1973. I believe it's the longest-running (continuous) hit music station in North America. That simple fact alone proves that they've been doing something right for the past third of a century regardless of whether they use the ".7" or not. Perhaps "Y-101" would've been more accurate, but they should've thought of that some 33 years ago !

> - Power 96 needs to bring the dance back into their
> playlist and spruce things up big time. This is one of the
> few things I disagree with 954 on: Power 96 used to sound
> good. When they played a fairly even mix of pop, urban,
> hispanic and reggae music with a sprinkling of dance, that's
> when they were at their best. Right now they're in the
> toilet in terms of product quality, and their ratings
> reflect that.

Throw in some mainstream rock as well and suddenly Y-100.7 is no longer a monopoly in this market. I remember back in the late-1980s when POWER-96 was just like that. It was cool hearing Guns-N-Roses (hard rock) followed by Stevie B (Miami freestyle) followed by Rick Astley (British pop) followed by Salt-N-Pepa (hip hop) followed by The Pet Shop Boys (British dance).

> - Y-100 needs some serious work of their own. I've said
> before that if they stop focusing so heavily on the
> mainstream and once again become a Miami station, they'd be
> killing.

I actually prefer Y-100.7 in its present state - as a generic-sounding 'could-be-broadcasting-from-anywhere' hit music station. When they were a 'Miami' station back in the late-1980s they sounded too Miami for me. In my own humble opinion (IMOHO) Y-100.7 is lacking one thing - a little more European-style trance and techno music like they played back in the late-1990s.

THE MAJOR

 

[The-Major]

> > - Y-100 needs some serious work of their own. I've said
> > before that if they stop focusing so heavily on the
> > mainstream and once again become a Miami station, they'd
> be
> > killing.
>
> They are, for all practical purposes, an AC station. And
> they bill very well.

I know what you mean (the point you're trying to make), but 'AC' and 'HOT-AC' stations don't generally play hard rock, hip hop, and rap like Y-100.7 does. Actually some of the bolder HOT-AC stations in the U.S. do play the occasional hard rock hit or an older (early-1990s) dance-rap hit.

> Broward is not a separate market. Since 1981, it has been
> part of the Miami market.

Broward County used to be considered its own radio market ? Why were they merged with the Miami market back then ? Why didn't they go with the Palm Beach market instead ? (I wasn't living here in 1981.)

THE MAJOR

Hey kids ... I'm '18 & Legal' ! It's my 18TH post since I started on here !

 

[DavidEduardo]

>
> > They are, for all practical purposes, an AC station. And
> > they bill very well.
>
> I know what you mean (the point you're trying to make), but
> 'AC' and 'HOT-AC' stations don't generally play hard rock,
> hip hop, and rap like Y-100.7 does. Actually some of the
> bolder HOT-AC stations in the U.S. do play the occasional
> hard rock hit or an older (early-1990s) dance-rap hit.

But the funny thing is that demos are very much Hot AC.
>
> > Broward is not a separate market. Since 1981, it has been
> > part of the Miami market.
>
> Broward County used to be considered its own radio market ?
> Why were they merged with the Miami market back then ? Why
> didn't they go with the Palm Beach market instead ? (I
> wasn't living here in 1981.)

The Miami Ft. Lauderdale areas was a single TV market since the 50`s, but radio did not change until the Arbitron subscribers voted in favor in 1981.
>
> THE MAJOR
>
> Hey kids ... I'm '18 & Legal' ! It's my 18TH post since I
> started on here !
>

 

[The-Major]

> >
> > > They are, for all practical purposes, an AC station. And
>
> > > they bill very well.
> >
> > I know what you mean (the point you're trying to make),
> but
> > 'AC' and 'HOT-AC' stations don't generally play hard rock,
>
> > hip hop, and rap like Y-100.7 does. Actually some of the
> > bolder HOT-AC stations in the U.S. do play the occasional
> > hard rock hit or an older (early-1990s) dance-rap hit.
>
> But the funny thing is that demos are very much Hot AC.

You're right. The women of South Florida love their Y-100.7. In a 'typical' radio market the TOP 40 station in town has a large 12 to 34 age base. Y-100.7 skews older (and more female) with the same general music.

> The Miami Ft. Lauderdale areas was a single TV market since
> the 50`s, but radio did not change until the Arbitron
> subscribers voted in favor in 1981.

I noticed that 'The Florida Keys' is now its own official radio market, and a few Miami market blowtorches have made their way onto the market's latest ratings.

THE MAJOR

Post # 19 for me is dedicated to the 19 years I've been living here in the 'Miami-Ft. Lauderdale' radio market.

 

[954]

generic-sounding could-be-broadcasting-from-anywhere stations

> I actually prefer Y-100.7 in its present state - as a
> generic-sounding 'could-be-broadcasting-from-anywhere' hit
> music station.

Aren't there already too many generic-sounding 'could-be-broadcasting-from-anywhere' stations?

> When they were a 'Miami' station back in the
> late-1980s they sounded too Miami for me. In my own humble
> opinion (IMOHO) Y-100.7 is lacking one thing - a little more
> European-style trance and techno music like they played back
> in the late-1990s.

Than was before CC and consultants (David's expected
comments notwithstanding) homogenized and ruined radio.

a/k/a the good old days.

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[DavidEduardo]

Re: generic-sounding could-be-broadcasting-from-anywhere stations

> Aren't there already too many generic-sounding
> 'could-be-broadcasting-from-anywhere' stations?

The reason that stations have essentially sounded alike in most respects since the late 50's because a hit is a hit is a hit. The big songs will be big songs nearly everywhere and the style of announcing for specific formats will be the same everywhere.
>
> > When they were a 'Miami' station back in the
> > late-1980s they sounded too Miami for me. In my own humble
>
> > opinion (IMOHO) Y-100.7 is lacking one thing - a little
> more
> > European-style trance and techno music like they played
> back
> > in the late-1990s.
>
> Than was before CC and consultants (David's expected
> comments notwithstanding) homogenized and ruined radio.

Let's take a classic case of consuting: the advertising agency. Large advertisers could try to do their creative and media placement and promotions in house. Many have tried, but found that they lose the experience, expertise and creativity of an agency with a larger staff, and, thus, more creative and specialized than the possibilities within the company's own walls.

Consultants have existed since the 60-s in radio. Many have improved the quality of the on air product. The economics of radio are what causes owners to cut costs and limit other aspects of radio programming.