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Ten Years On: The End of WSUN "Entertaining Talk Radio"

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FloridaBear1776

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Ten years ago this summer, 620 WSUN became the number one talk station in the Tampa - St. Pete market in 25-54, narrowly edging out WFLA.

Ten years ago this November, 620 WSUN dumped the talk format and went all sports.

It may be one of the few times that the number one talker in 25-54 in a market blew itself up.

Where was the first spot on the dial where Tampa Bay residents heard the following talents:

Cigar Dave
Phil Hendrie
Dr. Laura
Randi Rhodes
Joey Reynolds

Answer: 620 WSUN.

Its format was hard to characterize: somewhere between traditional news-talk
and WTKS-style "FM talk". It began as a simulcast pieced together from WIOD in Miami and WSB in Atlanta by its then owners, Cox. When the station began in 1992, it carried Neil Rogers (of course), Rick and Suds, Neil on tape in the evenings, followed by Phil Hendrie live from Atlanta, when he was still doing "straight" talk. 'SUN listeners also heard Phil two years later, when he was on WIOD perfecting what would become his current act. Then the Miami talent was dumped in favor of Ron and Ron, the Hooters Girls (now known as the SportChix and IMO an underrated group of, uh, 'talents', who would have broken out as powerhouses now but for the proper radio venue), and Gary Spivey.

Don't think for one minute that 970 didn't take 620 seriously. Explain the ruckus they created when they learned that Cox, through its San Francisco TV station, was investing in the San Francisco Giants to keep them from moving to what is now Tropicana Field. It spent hours lampooning Cox, both in live talk shows and newscasts (!), referring to 620 obliquely as 'a country station', apparently wishing to club Cox over the head but unwilling to reveal to its audience that 970 had competition.

And of course, Bob Lassiter made it his home after his return from Chicago
from 1993-95. Not much more to say about him that hasn't already been said.

Yes, it was expensive. Yes, the sweet blonde Southern ladies who sold 94.9 WARM couldn't bring themselves to soil their white gloves and sell 620. Yes, that combo issue was a lame reason to kill a station that in three years had managed to pull even with the heritage talker in the money demo. The decision to pull the plug on WSUN foreshadowed the sale and implosion of WIOD, and the change of Cox's culture from a risk-taker with edgy talk programming to a rigidly robotic program philosophy that seeks to reduce the human input to somewhat less than that of a very small cog in a very large mechanism.

<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by FloridaBear1776 on 11/19/05 12:38 AM.</FONT></P>
 
When did WSAA Bay news nine radio enter the picture??



> Ten years ago this summer, 620 WSUN became the number one
> talk station in the Tampa - St. Pete market in 25-54,
> narrowly edging out WFLA.
>
> Ten years ago this November, 620 WSUN dumped the talk format
> and went all sports.
>
> It may be one of the few times that the number one talker in
> 25-54 in a market blew itself up.
>
> Where was the first spot on the dial where Tampa Bay
> residents heard the following talents:
>
> Cigar Dave
> Phil Hendrie
> Dr. Laura
> Randi Rhodes
> Joey Reynolds
>
> Answer: 620 WSUN.
>
> Its format was hard to characterize: somewhere between
> traditional news-talk
> and WTKS-style "FM talk". It began as a simulcast pieced
> together from WIOD in Miami and WSB in Atlanta by its then
> owners, Cox. When the station began in 1992, it carried Neil
> Rogers (of course), Rick and Suds, Neil on tape in the
> evenings, followed by Phil Hendrie live from Atlanta, when
> he was still doing "straight" talk. 'SUN listeners also
> heard Phil two years later, when he was on WIOD perfecting
> what would become his current act. Then the Miami talent was
> dumped in favor of Ron and Ron, the Hooters Girls (now known
> as the SportChix and IMO an underrated group of, uh,
> 'talents', who would have broken out as powerhouses now but
> for the proper radio venue), and Gary Spivey.
>
> Don't think for one minute that 970 didn't take 620
> seriously. Explain the ruckus they created when they learned
> that Cox, through its San Francisco TV station, was
> investing in the San Francisco Giants to keep them from
> moving to what is now Tropicana Field. It spent hours
> lampooning Cox, both in live talk shows and newscasts (!),
> referring to 620 obliquely as 'a country station',
> apparently wishing to club Cox over the head but unwilling
> to reveal to its audience that 970 had competition.
>
> And of course, Bob Lassiter made it his home after his
> return from Chicago
> from 1993-95. Not much more to say about him that hasn't
> already been said.
>
> Yes, it was expensive. Yes, the sweet blonde Southern ladies
> who sold 94.9 WARM couldn't bring themselves to soil their
> white gloves and sell 620. Yes, that combo issue was a lame
> reason to kill a station that in three years had managed to
> pull even with the heritage talker in the money demo. The
> decision to pull the plug on WSUN foreshadowed the sale and
> implosion of WIOD, and the change of Cox's culture from a
> risk-taker with edgy talk programming to a rigidly robotic
> program philosophy that seeks to reduce the human input to
> somewhat less than that of a very small cog in a very large
> mechanism.
>
 
According to the FCC database 01/11/99.

> When did WSAA Bay news nine radio enter the picture??
>
>
>
> > Ten years ago this summer, 620 WSUN became the number one
> > talk station in the Tampa - St. Pete market in 25-54,
> > narrowly edging out WFLA.
> >
> > Ten years ago this November, 620 WSUN dumped the talk
> format
> > and went all sports.
> >
> > It may be one of the few times that the number one talker
> in
> > 25-54 in a market blew itself up.
> >
> > Where was the first spot on the dial where Tampa Bay
> > residents heard the following talents:
> >
> > Cigar Dave
> > Phil Hendrie
> > Dr. Laura
> > Randi Rhodes
> > Joey Reynolds
> >
> > Answer: 620 WSUN.
> >
> > Its format was hard to characterize: somewhere between
> > traditional news-talk
> > and WTKS-style "FM talk". It began as a simulcast pieced
> > together from WIOD in Miami and WSB in Atlanta by its then
>
> > owners, Cox. When the station began in 1992, it carried
> Neil
> > Rogers (of course), Rick and Suds, Neil on tape in the
> > evenings, followed by Phil Hendrie live from Atlanta, when
>
> > he was still doing "straight" talk. 'SUN listeners also
> > heard Phil two years later, when he was on WIOD perfecting
>
> > what would become his current act. Then the Miami talent
> was
> > dumped in favor of Ron and Ron, the Hooters Girls (now
> known
> > as the SportChix and IMO an underrated group of, uh,
> > 'talents', who would have broken out as powerhouses now
> but
> > for the proper radio venue), and Gary Spivey.
> >
> > Don't think for one minute that 970 didn't take 620
> > seriously. Explain the ruckus they created when they
> learned
> > that Cox, through its San Francisco TV station, was
> > investing in the San Francisco Giants to keep them from
> > moving to what is now Tropicana Field. It spent hours
> > lampooning Cox, both in live talk shows and newscasts (!),
>
> > referring to 620 obliquely as 'a country station',
> > apparently wishing to club Cox over the head but unwilling
>
> > to reveal to its audience that 970 had competition.
> >
> > And of course, Bob Lassiter made it his home after his
> > return from Chicago
> > from 1993-95. Not much more to say about him that hasn't
> > already been said.
> >
> > Yes, it was expensive. Yes, the sweet blonde Southern
> ladies
> > who sold 94.9 WARM couldn't bring themselves to soil their
>
> > white gloves and sell 620. Yes, that combo issue was a
> lame
> > reason to kill a station that in three years had managed
> to
> > pull even with the heritage talker in the money demo. The
> > decision to pull the plug on WSUN foreshadowed the sale
> and
> > implosion of WIOD, and the change of Cox's culture from a
> > risk-taker with edgy talk programming to a rigidly robotic
>
> > program philosophy that seeks to reduce the human input to
>
> > somewhat less than that of a very small cog in a very
> large
> > mechanism.
> >
>
<P ID="signature">______________
Chris Heinrich
Owner/Webmaster
TampaBayRadioHistory.com</P>
 
WSUN, WSAA and more history

> > When did WSAA Bay news nine radio enter the picture??

From what I recall, the destroying (and rebuilding) of 620 went like this:

In 1995, after Cox bought the very good "Sports Radio 910 WFNS" they simulcasted it on 620. Somehow the programming deteriorated pretty rapidly and just died. WFNS became a 24 hour simulcast of Coast 107.3 and WSUN carried Warm 94.9 (with Ron & Ron STILL in the morning for a little while)

Then WSUN became standards as a "Stardust" affiliate (which I enjoyed quite a bit) but it wasn't meant to be as WSAA (in 1999 like you said) became Bay News 9 radio (I think it was sold by that time, can't remember)

620 by this time was starting to become known for having some losing formats, until CC bought it and moved "The Sports Animal" there.
 
Re: WSUN, WSAA and more history

> Then WSUN became standards as a "Stardust" affiliate (which
> I enjoyed quite a bit) but it wasn't meant to be as WSAA (in
> 1999 like you said) became Bay News 9 radio (I think it was
> sold by that time, can't remember)

I think around that time (either when 620 became standards or BN9) Cox sold off 620 to another broadcaster and moved the WSUN calls to 910. Later on, they acquired WLVU-FM 106.3, which they moved to 97.1 and moved the WSUN calls to that station, taking 910 dark.
>
> 620 by this time was starting to become known for having
> some losing formats, until CC bought it and moved "The
> Sports Animal" there.
>
That made possible by Salem acquiring 620 and swapping it with CC for 570, which became "The Word". salem also acquired 910 and brought it back on as a satellite of 570.

The WHNZ calls and brokered format was moved to 1250, and WDAE and "The Sports Animal" relocated to 620, all in the name of better coverage of the sports station.
 
Re: WSUN, WSAA and more history

From what I remember, when Cox aquired WFNS, it was the dominiate sports station at the time that carried the Lightning and they were playing at Thunderdome. At the time, the Lightning were making their first run at the playoffs. Because the signal was so bad in St.Pete, that was one of the reasons that Cox decided to simulcast WFNS on WSUN and even the games on 107.3. Eventually, the sports radio market became too crowded in Tampa Bay with the 910/620 combo, 820 The Team, the new 1250 WDAE, and even for a short time 1040 The Score which is where Jim Rome appeared first. I'm not sure if they were all on at the same time, but for a few years there, sports fans could find programming all over the AM side of the dial.
 
Re: WSUN, WSAA and more history

> I think around that time (either when 620 became standards
> or BN9) Cox sold off 620 to another broadcaster and moved
> the WSUN calls to 910. Later on, they acquired WLVU-FM
> 106.3, which they moved to 97.1 and moved the WSUN calls to
> that station, taking 910 dark.


620 at some point right around this time was sold to "Concord Media" I believe. Mark Jorgenson was the President. Many said Concord was a "holding" company funded by Jacor.<P ID="signature">______________
-brian holmes
APD/nights - 104.5 WSNX Grand Rapids
weekends - 92.5 KISS FM Toledo
Owner/Webmaster - www.ThePowerPig.com - Tribute to WFLZ/Tampa & www.Q105TampaBay.com - Tribute to WRBQ/Tampa</P>
 
Re: WSUN, WSAA and more history

> > I think around that time (either when 620 became standards
>
> > or BN9) Cox sold off 620 to another broadcaster and moved
> > the WSUN calls to 910. Later on, they acquired WLVU-FM
> > 106.3, which they moved to 97.1 and moved the WSUN calls
> to
> > that station, taking 910 dark.
>
>
> 620 at some point right around this time was sold to
> "Concord Media" I believe. Mark Jorgenson was the President.
> Many said Concord was a "holding" company funded by Jacor.
>
Concord (Jorgenson) actually purchsed my station WLVU AM/FM and sold the FM to Cox immediately. LVU FM was already at 97.1, the result of a ten year upgrade project when Concord/Cox purchased it. Concord got a sum and 620 for LVU-FM. He then sold 620 to Jacor.
 
Re: WSUN, WSAA and more history

> From what I remember, when Cox aquired WFNS, it was the
> dominiate sports station at the time that carried the
> Lightning and they were playing at Thunderdome. At the
> time, the Lightning were making their first run at the
> playoffs. Because the signal was so bad in St.Pete, that
> was one of the reasons that Cox decided to simulcast WFNS on
> WSUN and even the games on 107.3. Eventually, the sports
> radio market became too crowded in Tampa Bay with the
> 910/620 combo, 820 The Team, the new 1250 WDAE, and even for
> a short time 1040 The Score which is where Jim Rome appeared
> first. I'm not sure if they were all on at the same time,
> but for a few years there, sports fans could find
> programming all over the AM side of the dial.
>

The whole 620/910 arrangement seemed odd and should have been given everyone a tip off that it wouldn't last long since it didn't make sense in the first place. The deal was essentially a simulcast but 620 could be heard better than 910 in every spot in the Metro. The 910 signal was essentially a waste. Even though they were sold in combo, the simulcast dilluted the numbers. The stations simulcasted in the mornings and afternoons, Paul Porter in the AM and Brantley and Deumig in the PM. In mid days 620 ran the fabulous Sports Babe and 910 had the Todd Wright show. So they also kind of comepeted with each other. At this time 820 the Team had been in the market of couple of years and was just starting to get noticed a little bit, but was not an equal ground.

After 620/910 blew up... 820 was the only sports talker in the market for a little over a year until Jacor started WDAE at 1250. About six months after that Clear Channel tried to build a Sports Talker at 1040...They Ran Jim Rome and the old Sports Fan Network. They tried to land Todd Wright for afternoons but he was beginning to get feelers from ESPN. When Clear Channel purchased Paxson (the owners of 820), the 1040 station was essentially blown up and eventually sold off and 820 took Jim Rome.

Then when Clear Channel and Jacor merged, 820 was sold to the Mega folks and 620 took Rome. Some of the 820 cast offs popped up at 1010 where they languished for a couple of years before being put down.

I think three, remains the record for full time sports stations in the market at the same time and that was very, very brief...<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by zoneguy on 11/21/05 09:36 PM.</FONT></P>
 
Re: WSUN, WSAA and more history

Wow all this strange history does not mean much to me, but I do remember when 620 was doing exciting things here with it’s talk format.

It was real, it was exciting, fast moving and a hell of a lot of fun. It was Lassiter at his best and who can forget Jazz McKay. (or does anyone even remember him?)

Now with big radio like Cheap Channel and the like, we will never hear excitement like that again.

Oh well……

Thanks FloridaBear... it was fun to look back.
 
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