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"Que Pasa" Tulsa?

J

JamzUSA

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From All Access:

The stunting has ended at CLEAR CHANNEL/TULSA's 101.5 frequency, formerly the home of Top 40/Rhythmic KTBT (THE BEAT). FRIDAY (9/23), KTBT moved to CC's more powerful 92.1 signal and Top 40/Mainstream KIZS was gone with THE BEAT simulcasting on both frequencies. That simulcast and the subsequent countdown clock leading to the roll-out of a new station has ended. At 5 pm today (9/29), Spanish language LA PRECIOSA debuted on CLEAR CHANNEL's 101.5 in TULSA.
 
A HOT format ... La Preciosa

> Nothing better than Spanish music for old farts. CRANK IT UP


Hey, just the hottest 25-54 Hispanic format going.
 
Re: A HOT format ... La Preciosa

> > Nothing better than Spanish music for old farts. CRANK IT
> UP
>
>
> Hey, just the hottest 25-54 Hispanic format going.
>

Great. Another damn Mexican format. Just what Tulsa needs.

<P ID="signature">______________
--- THE Insultant ---</P>
 
Re: A HOT format ... La Preciosa

> Great. Another damn Mexican format. Just what Tulsa needs.

I wonder if this will do better than when CC tried spanish language programming on 1300 in the mid-late 90's.
 
Re: A HOT format ... La Preciosa

Here is the link: http://www.lapreciosa.com/

The Tulsa site is not ready yet.

Cannot believe that a few Tulsa Radio Legends like Robbie Cruise or Steve "Freaky" Fisk have submitted their review yet.

This format is completely different from LaBonita on 1300 back in the late 90s.



> > Great. Another damn Mexican format. Just what Tulsa
> needs.
>
> I wonder if this will do better than when CC tried spanish
> language programming on 1300 in the mid-late 90's.
>
 
Re: A HOT format ... La Preciosa

Although I worked in Tulsa, that was 30 years ago :)

But I am old :)

Soooo, I am no expert on Tulsa demographics and certainly don't know the population percentage of Hispanics there ...

But this is a HOT format and certainly made sense in Dallas where Clear Channel flipped a soft oldies station.

You don't have to listen to it or like it.

But like it or not, radio is a business. And, businesses are in the business of making money.

comprende?


> Here is the link: http://www.lapreciosa.com/
>
> The Tulsa site is not ready yet.
>
> Cannot believe that a few Tulsa Radio Legends like Robbie
> Cruise or Steve "Freaky" Fisk have submitted their review
> yet.
>
> This format is completely different from LaBonita on 1300
> back in the late 90s.
>
>
>
> > > Great. Another damn Mexican format. Just what Tulsa
> > needs.
> >
> > I wonder if this will do better than when CC tried spanish
>
> > language programming on 1300 in the mid-late 90's.
 
Re: A HOT format ... La Preciosa

> Although I worked in Tulsa, that was 30 years ago :)
>
> But I am old :)
>
> Soooo, I am no expert on Tulsa demographics and certainly
> don't know the population percentage of Hispanics there ...
>
> But this is a HOT format and certainly made sense in Dallas
> where Clear Channel flipped a soft oldies station.
>
> You don't have to listen to it or like it.
>
> But like it or not, radio is a business. And, businesses
> are in the business of making money.
>
> comprende?
>
>

I'm sorry - but there is WAY too much of this crap on the radio. They should call it "la mierda" instead.
 
Re: A HOT format ... La Preciosa

I think The Insultant is upset do to the fact that KEGL has been dead and on an IV for years and now Clear Channel is doing its best to save it as Spanish. Least Clear Channel is serving the public on its stations and giving back to the community. And it makes money to.






> Although I worked in Tulsa, that was 30 years ago :)
>
> But I am old :)
>
> Soooo, I am no expert on Tulsa demographics and certainly
> don't know the population percentage of Hispanics there ...
>
> But this is a HOT format and certainly made sense in Dallas
> where Clear Channel flipped a soft oldies station.
>
> You don't have to listen to it or like it.
>
> But like it or not, radio is a business. And, businesses
> are in the business of making money.
>
> comprende?
>
>
> > Here is the link: http://www.lapreciosa.com/
> >
> > The Tulsa site is not ready yet.
> >
> > Cannot believe that a few Tulsa Radio Legends like Robbie
> > Cruise or Steve "Freaky" Fisk have submitted their review
> > yet.
> >
> > This format is completely different from LaBonita on 1300
> > back in the late 90s.
> >
> >
> >
> > > > Great. Another damn Mexican format. Just what Tulsa
> > > needs.
> > >
> > > I wonder if this will do better than when CC tried
> spanish
> >
> > > language programming on 1300 in the mid-late 90's.
>
<P ID="signature">______________
--THE_Consultant----</P>
 
Racially charged, perhaps bigoted

> > Although I worked in Tulsa, that was 30 years ago :)
> >
> > But I am old :)
> >
> > Soooo, I am no expert on Tulsa demographics and certainly
> > don't know the population percentage of Hispanics there
> ...
> >
> > But this is a HOT format and certainly made sense in
> Dallas
> > where Clear Channel flipped a soft oldies station.
> >
> > You don't have to listen to it or like it.
> >
> > But like it or not, radio is a business. And, businesses
> > are in the business of making money.
> >
> > comprende?
> >
> >
>
> I'm sorry - but there is WAY too much of this crap on the
> radio. They should call it "la mierda" instead.


When you make racially charged statements like that, you paint yourself as a bigot whether you are ... or not.

Only you know what's in your heart.

Actually, the percentage of radio stations programming primarily to Hispanics in the United States is almost in direct ratio to the Hispanic population base.

Clear Channel clearly feels this station will be more successful with an oldies format for Hispanics.

You made it clear in your inarticulate way that you don't like it.

Fine ... and too bad at the same time.

If you were a businessman, would you rather make more money ... or less?

That is the point -- not your subjective opinion about whether a format is "crap" or not.

FYI ... I've never worked for Clear Channel and never would.
 
Re: Racially charged, perhaps bigoted

> > I'm sorry - but there is WAY too much of this crap on the
> > radio. They should call it "la mierda" instead.
>
>
> When you make racially charged statements like that, you
> paint yourself as a bigot whether you are ... or not.
>
> Only you know what's in your heart.
>
> Actually, the percentage of radio stations programming
> primarily to Hispanics in the United States is almost in
> direct ratio to the Hispanic population base.
>
> Clear Channel clearly feels this station will be more
> successful with an oldies format for Hispanics.
>
> You made it clear in your inarticulate way that you don't
> like it.
>
> Fine ... and too bad at the same time.
>
> If you were a businessman, would you rather make more money
> ... or less?
>
> That is the point -- not your subjective opinion about
> whether a format is "crap" or not.
>
> FYI ... I've never worked for Clear Channel and never would.
>

You think that's racist? What about some of the comments posted on the Dallas board? Some of the things that I read on there makes me feel like I should still should be riding in the back of the bus.
 
Re: Racially charged, perhaps bigoted

> > > I'm sorry - but there is WAY too much of this crap on
> the
> > > radio. They should call it "la mierda" instead.
> >
> >
> > When you make racially charged statements like that, you
> > paint yourself as a bigot whether you are ... or not.
> >
> > Only you know what's in your heart.
> >
> > Actually, the percentage of radio stations programming
> > primarily to Hispanics in the United States is almost in
> > direct ratio to the Hispanic population base.
> >
> > Clear Channel clearly feels this station will be more
> > successful with an oldies format for Hispanics.
> >
> > You made it clear in your inarticulate way that you don't
> > like it.
> >
> > Fine ... and too bad at the same time.
> >
> > If you were a businessman, would you rather make more
> money
> > ... or less?
> >
> > That is the point -- not your subjective opinion about
> > whether a format is "crap" or not.
> >
> > FYI ... I've never worked for Clear Channel and never
> would.
> >
>
> You think that's racist? What about some of the comments
> posted on the Dallas board? Some of the things that I read
> on there makes me feel like I should still should be riding
> in the back of the bus.


The Dallas board is bad ... no question.

Some don't want Hispanics to have any stations apparently.

But when you stick up a 7-11, get caught and your defense is, "Your honor, I know other people who robbed 7-11 stores too and got off", does that excuse you?

Nope.
 
You need to get some fresh air-you're not thinking clearly...

You people need to get a life. Whether someone likes a format, or not, has nothing to do with racism. I don't personally like the format, but that doesn't mean that others won't like it. And, if it does well financially, then others will adopt that type of format to the point of too many stations having that format.

Some don't like talk radio, either. I suppose that makes them racist as well. Or some other "ist" term. Like "communist", perhaps?

Again, take off your tin foil hats and get some fresh air.
 
Starting a debate with "you people need to get a life" clearly demonstrates who really needs a life, Stan my man!

> You people need to get a life. Whether someone likes a
> format, or not, has nothing to do with racism. I don't
> personally like the format, but that doesn't mean that
> others won't like it. And, if it does well financially,
> then others will adopt that type of format to the point of
> too many stations having that format.


Again, the number of Hispanic stations nationally in large- to medium-markets is in close ratio to the Hispanic population.

Serve the public.


> Some don't like talk radio, either. I suppose that makes
> them racist as well.



No, never said that.

Faulty logic, or assumptions, on your part.

But I expected that by now.



>Or some other "ist" term. Like
> "communist", perhaps?


Oh, boy. Now, you've really gone off the deep end there Stan.

Actually, you went head first -- into shallow water.


> Again, take off your tin foil hats and get some fresh air.


Got 'ya Stan the Tin Man!

Stan, take a cold shower and ... "get a life" as you would say so eloquently.
 
Re: A HOT format ... La Preciosa

> Here is the link: http://www.lapreciosa.com/
>
> The Tulsa site is not ready yet.
>
> Cannot believe that a few Tulsa Radio Legends like Robbie
> Cruise or Steve "Freaky" Fisk have submitted their review
> yet.

Freaky's in jail and I personally couldn't care less...

I think it's a good move on Clear Channel's part, but I won't be listening when I'm in town - not the demo...
 
I guess you can't argue with an idiot

Equating a dislike of a particular format with racism shows your flawed logic, or lack thereof.
 
And you cannot debate without personal attacks

> Equating a dislike of a particular format with racism shows
> your flawed logic, or lack thereof.


First, calling someone an idiot is poor manners -- Stan the man.

But since you cannot argue or debate anyone, you call the format "crap" and call people names.

Second, you apparently lack the ability to read. I stated the comments were "racially charged".

I never accused you or anyone else of bigotry or racism. I suspect it plays a part. But only you knows what is in your heart.

Third, "Mexican", as in "Mexican format", is NOT a format at all -- anymore than "English" is a format.

Would you label KOMA an "English" format?

Pure ignorance and apathy regarding cultures, formats and radio.

Fourth, this "crap" as you call it with your foul mouth, is a popular format for people who happen to be Hispanic in the 25-54 demo.

If you were programming Clear Channel, would you pass on the format because you personally don't like it?

If so, then YOU are the idiot, Stan.
 
let's stay on the subject, which is how many formats can radio support?

> > Equating a dislike of a particular format with racism
> shows
> > your flawed logic, or lack thereof.
>
>
> First, calling someone an idiot is poor manners -- Stan the
> man.

And inferring that someone is a racist is good manners, Mr. Batman?

> But since you cannot argue or debate anyone, you call the
> format "crap" and call people names.

Again, dislike for a particular format is all I expressed. I've listened to Mega101 in Houston (another CC property), and I liked it. I understand the need for CC or others to program where there is a need that has not been filled. In many parts of the country, for example, there is a large Asian population that is not being represented on broadcast radio - they could be a demographic targeted by broadcasters, just as the Hispanic population has been. My point is that there seem to be a disproportionate number of these stations with even CC jumping on the bandwagon to provide programming in this area.

If you travel to Rhode Island, it is not uncommon to hear Portuguese language stations due to a large Portuguese population present there. How many radio stations format their programming to appeal to Native Americans in Oklahoma, for example? What percentage of the state do Native American tribes represent? I'm just curious.
 
Let me restate and add a couple of points ...

> > > Equating a dislike of a particular format with racism
> > shows
> > > your flawed logic, or lack thereof.


Again, you misunderstand ... Stan.

Never called you ... or anyone else a racist or bigot.

However, I did said such statements are "racially charged" and tend to inflame passions. I stand by that comment.

I don't know who made the original statement about "crap", and it does not matter. And, I bet that you consider other formats that are not programmed specially for Hispanic to be "crap" also -- so do I.

Further, I understand clearly that you do not like La Preciosa and probably will never, or seldon, listen to it. I doubt I will listen to it in Dallas except out of curiosity since the format is now on in a large market, and a former '70s jock at WKY that I know now programs stations for Univision.

Finally, I think that when you call someone an "idiot", YOU are the one who tends to lose credibility from that word on. But I understand the passion engendered by such discussions. At least we are not rioting in the streets.

If you even thought that I believed you were racially biased, I am sorry. No racial slurs were intended or meant to be inferred in the least.

From your writing style and obvious intelligence, I would highly doubt that you harbor any such hideous tendencies.


> >
> > First, calling someone an idiot is poor manners -- Stan
> the
> > man.
>
> And inferring that someone is a racist is good manners, Mr.
> Batman?
>
> > But since you cannot argue or debate anyone, you call the
> > format "crap" and call people names.
>
> Again, dislike for a particular format is all I expressed.
> I've listened to Mega101 in Houston (another CC property),
> and I liked it. I understand the need for CC or others to
> program where there is a need that has not been filled. In
> many parts of the country, for example, there is a large
> Asian population that is not being represented on broadcast
> radio - they could be a demographic targeted by
> broadcasters, just as the Hispanic population has been.


You are absolutely right except in the largest markets. But even in Dallas, where I live, the Asian population is underserved.


> My point is that there seem to be a disproportionate number of
> these stations with even CC jumping on the bandwagon to
> provide programming in this area.


You may be right. I just don't know. In Dallas, Hispanics are the largest and faster growing population group as is the case in other markets.

And the marketplace will sort this out. If Clear Channel goofed they will find out ... probably sooner than later.

A soft oldies stations was flipped for La Preciosa. I would have done it if asked from a business standpoint.

Would I have preferred to listen to a soft oldies station over the newcomer? Certainly, I can speak only a few words and phrases in Spanish regrettably.


> If you travel to Rhode Island, it is not uncommon to hear
> Portuguese language stations due to a large Portuguese
> population present there. How many radio stations format
> their programming to appeal to Native Americans in Oklahoma,
> for example? What percentage of the state do Native
> American tribes represent? I'm just curious.


Well, I know several full-blood Native Americans or American Indians in Oklahoma and Texas. None speak in their native tongues although their grandparents did.

A neighbor of mine, a retired Air Force colonel, is half Choctaw Indian. He knows only a few words of Choctaw.

His father insisted that he not only learn English but that he forget his native language in order to make it in the modern "white man's world" of the 20th century.

But to your point, I don't know how many, if any, program specially to Native Americans or in their native languages. Perhaps Radio-locator would have some information on that, and I am going to check.

Thanks for the great discussion, Stan!

One of the best debators, if not the best, on the board.
 
Re: let's stay on the subject, which is how many formats can radio support?

> > > Equating a dislike of a particular format with racism
> > shows
> > > your flawed logic, or lack thereof.
> >
> >
> > First, calling someone an idiot is poor manners -- Stan
> the
> > man.
>
> And inferring that someone is a racist is good manners, Mr.
> Batman?
>
> > But since you cannot argue or debate anyone, you call the
> > format "crap" and call people names.
>
> Again, dislike for a particular format is all I expressed.
> I've listened to Mega101 in Houston (another CC property),
> and I liked it. I understand the need for CC or others to
> program where there is a need that has not been filled. In
> many parts of the country, for example, there is a large
> Asian population that is not being represented on broadcast
> radio - they could be a demographic targeted by
> broadcasters, just as the Hispanic population has been. My
> point is that there seem to be a disproportionate number of
> these stations with even CC jumping on the bandwagon to
> provide programming in this area.
>
> If you travel to Rhode Island, it is not uncommon to hear
> Portuguese language stations due to a large Portuguese
> population present there. How many radio stations format
> their programming to appeal to Native Americans in Oklahoma,
> for example? What percentage of the state do Native
> American tribes represent? I'm just curious.
>



Keep in mind that La Preciosa becomes the most popular Spanish language format anywhere that it's been tried.

For example, Fresno CA has a large Hispanic population and a ton of Spanish language radio stations. When CC flipped oldies KFSO to Preciosa many people in Fresno said "That's all we need, another Spanish station". Yet look at the most recent trend, KFSO is now the #1 rated Spanish language station in Fresno.

So even if markets like Dallas and Tulsa already had existing Spanish stations, they didn't have Preciosa. With the success Preciosa is having I would expect CC to continue to flip stations to the format, who can blame them?
 
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