Help me find a party ...

[elevator_opratr]

... and I'm not talking about a beer party either. lol

Seriously, I have been a life-long Republican and have (for the most part), been a supporter of Bush.

I generally have very traditional values when it comes to things like the abortion issue and family values. I also generally support the war, with some reservations.

Yet I am getting very tired of the Republican lack of respect for the health food industry, organic farming, respect for the environment, etc. It sometimes feels like if it's not big business (for example, the pharmaceutical business), it's not respected by the Right.

See? Now that side of me sounds like a Democrat. Yet I just can't associate with the Left's views on values and issues like Social Security.

As you can see, I am in a real dillema here! LOL

I have no problem with 3rd parties. I hate to hear that they'll never win. Hey, if everyone who said that actually voted for one, we'd have a third party win.

The Greens definetely agree with my feelings on health and the environment, but their values are way too Democratic for me.

The Constitutions are very value oriented, but I don't think they touch health and the environment.

And I don't know much about the Libertarians.

Am I an odd duck here? A health food, environment loving fellow who also is conservative-minded at the same time?

Is there a party for me? Or am I just a loner?

 

[wavelength]

> ... and I'm not talking about a beer party either. lol
>
> Seriously, I have been a life-long Republican and have (for
> the most part), been a supporter of Bush.
>
> I generally have very traditional values when it comes to
> things like the abortion issue and family values. I also
> generally support the war, with some reservations.
>
> Yet I am getting very tired of the Republican lack of
> respect for the health food industry, organic farming,
> respect for the environment, etc. It sometimes feels like if
> it's not big business (for example, the pharmaceutical
> business), it's not respected by the Right.
>
> See? Now that side of me sounds like a Democrat. Yet I just
> can't associate with the Left's views on values and issues
> like Social Security.
>
> As you can see, I am in a real dillema here! LOL





Well, first in regards to the Enviroment the true Republicans like Goldwater and Reagan respected the Enviroment. The Republican Party has been sabotaged since Reagan's second term and really went downhill as soon as the Bush Empire took over. You should vote Liberterian because they uphold the true Constitution without diluting it. Abortion, drugs, homosexuality are all personal that should not be legislated. The first thing we have to do is pull out of the UN!
>
> I have no problem with 3rd parties. I hate to hear that
> they'll never win. Hey, if everyone who said that actually
> voted for one, we'd have a third party win.
>
> The Greens definetely agree with my feelings on health and
> the environment, but their values are way too Democratic for
> me.
>
> The Constitutions are very value oriented, but I don't think
> they touch health and the environment.
>
> And I don't know much about the Libertarians.
>
> Am I an odd duck here? A health food, environment loving
> fellow who also is conservative-minded at the same time?
>
> Is there a party for me? Or am I just a loner?
>

 

[jason97]

No problem with all of that, really... you're a human being, too, and entitled to your own opinions.

I decided right around November 3, 2004, that I shouldn't really worry about what party supports what. I'm entitled to my own opinions, and if I want to vote Democratic, Republican, other, etc. (BTW, I should clarify this by saying I'm not reffering to candidates, I'm talking about things like ballot measures, initinatives, etc.), regardless of which party supports what, then I should just do that. Screw what party says whatever, they're not my mind, and politics are probably the most boring "parties" in the world, anyway!

I re-registered as "not a member of a party" when I changed addresses and had to update my voter registration.

I'll withhold my comments on the other political parties you've mentioned, unless you'd like to hear them.

I have no problem with 3rd parties. I hate to hear that they'll never win. Hey, if everyone who said that actually voted for one, we'd have a third party win.

More people should read that statement. That's the only way to change the stupid "2-party system" mentality.

Here's another problem I think exists: the reason all the candidates are really all the same is because only certain people actually give a flying rats' behind about trying to get involved in the process... that's why we have such horrid and corrupt laws and politicians (IMO).

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[doc9464]

> See? Now that side of me sounds like a Democrat. Yet I just
> can't associate with the Left's views on values and issues
> like Social Security.
>
> Am I an odd duck here? A health food, environment loving
> fellow who also is conservative-minded at the same time?
>
> Is there a party for me? Or am I just a loner?
>

If Howard Dean has his way and can help correct the dems from following the DLC (republican lite part of the party) and get back to core values like social freedom, defending the working man, and keep the new focus on fiscal issues, the democrats are your best choice still...

If you want something to chew as you think about it....read Thomas Frank's book ..Whats the matter with Kansas and read George Lakoff's book Moral Politics: How Liberals and Conservatives Think and finally read, A Conflict of Visions by Thomas Sowell....i think these 3 books are powerful books to help one "find their way". I was recommeded A comflict of visions by a "Goldwater" conservative friend who I spar with on a friendly basis...it was a good read as well. I had read Lakoff's book a few years back and was encouraged to see Howard Dean moving toward Lakoff in his thinking....I think Dean had gotten a hold of Lakoffs most recent book...Don't think of an Elephant...which really got the literary eye on Lakoff...it too is a good read...

good luck with your soul search...

My opinion....if you dont want to be a Dem, then be a left-leaning independant and vote your heart...but I think you will vote dem a lot more...

 

[Les]

> I have no problem with 3rd parties. I hate to hear that
> they'll never win. Hey, if everyone who said that actually
> voted for one, we'd have a third party win.

You're doomed.

But so are we all.

Envision this country as one gigantic alcoholic. It's gotta
hit absolute bottom before recovery can begin.

For years we've been slowly giving away chunks of the country;
manufacturing, jobs of all "collar color", money. It's just
a matter of time before there's nothing left but welfare.
Problem is, since there will be no revenue generation, the
welfare checks will just be printed with nothing behind them.
Banks are part of the system, so they'll credit them anyway.

Sooner or later faith will be lost in that phoney money and
rampant inflation will come first, followed quickly by
unavailability of goods at any price.

So, in the last election, I identified the candidate I thought
would get us to the bottom the quickest and voted for him. No,
ain't gonna tell you who.

Now I offer you the shining hope for America!

The National Apathist Party.

We don't vote 'cause there's no point. But we will get
around to holding a national convention...someday, maybe.
Our slogan: "Don't Elect Nobody To Nothin'!" The
principle being that as soon as nobody votes then nobody
will be elected. There'll be nobody to sign the government
drone's paychecks and they'll all wander off and the
entire bureaucracy will just sorta fade away. Holdouts
will be ridiculed to death. A plus...Apathists can never
be accused of terrorism; that takes effort that just isn't
worth it.

BTW: Don't allow it to escape you that the TLA for
The National Apathist Party is "NAP", which coincidentally
represents the favored leisure-time activity of the
membership.

Anarchy has some appeal but is impractical because, to be
effective, it has to be organized and it's a Class A felony
to use the words "Anarchist" and "organize" in the same
sentence (exception permitted if both words are confined
in quotation marks.<P ID="signature">______________
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[954]

First thing, you should check out the World's Smallest Political Quiz --
http://www.self-gov.org/quiz.html -- and see where you stand. You may be surprised.

And let us know how you do!

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[KeithE]

Re: World's Smallest Political Quiz

> First thing, you should check out the World's Smallest
> Political Quiz --
> http://www.self-gov.org/quiz.html -- and see where you
> stand. You may be surprised.
>
> And let us know how you do!
>
> 73s from 954

The poll (like all polls) is flawed but the results are interesting. It thinks I'm a big-gummint statist, but on the border with Centrists. Actually, I'm a moderate-government Centrist who believes a limitited safety net is necessary for a well-functioning society - but there should be limits.

The questions and their answers can be different when circumstances change - like between a state of peace and a state of war (since 9/11 - even though war hasn't officially been declared since WW2 - a serious mistake in my view).

I believe the poll is flawed because the "maybe" answers depend on the situation and the time. Almost every question is dependent on whether we have our Armed Forces being shot at or not. Right now, we do.

Here are the questions and my problems with them:

PERSONAL
1. Government should not censor speech, press, media or Internet
In peacetime (read: no declared war) there is no censorship. Read the history of both World Wars. There was censorship to the point where civillian use of radio transmitters (and receivers during WW1) was banned. Censorship was legal during both World Wars. Just ask Hollywood.

2. Military service should be voluntary. There should be no draft.
A moot point. There won't be a draft unless all hell breaks loose. Nobody other than Rep. Charlie Wrangel (D-NY) has even proposed this. Wrangel admitted that he had his reasons that had nothing to do with military preparedness. It'll take a nuclear attack to bring back the draft. At least Wrangel was man enough to admit why he proposed it.

3. There should be no laws regarding sex for consenting adults.
What adults do in their bedrooms is no business of any government - federal, state, or local.

4. Repeal laws prohibiting adult possession and use of drugs.
Drugs have a detrimental effect on society. Sex doesn't (as long as it involves consenting adults).

5. There should be no National ID card.
We already have one. It's called your Social Security Card, and your SSN is your Federal Tax ID Number. AFAIK, you can't do business with any level of government or financial institution without that number. It doesn't make it right but it makes it a fact. Deal with it.


ECONOMIC
1. End "corporate welfare." No government handouts to business.
Corporate welfare, and the political payoffs that result from it, is the raison-d'etre of state & local government. Again, deal with it.

2. End government barriers to international free trade.
This is the tough one. Free trade is good, but it must be fair trade. That can't happen with countries that, quite frankley, have a slave-labor force such as China, Vietnam, and some South American coutnries. Wait until sub-Saharan Africa gets involved in another 10-15 years.

3. Let people control their own retirement; privatize Social Security.
When I was 20 (in 1975) I thought this was a good idea. If you're young enough, it still might work. But now that I've put 30 years of FICA into the system, I want MY money back. Selfish? You betcha. But if a privatization program was started voluntariy with people under 30....

4. Replace government welfare with private charity.
Both can co-exist. Private is better but 100% private charity isn't practical. A well-functioning society must have a limited safety net. Libertarinaism/laizze-faire capitalism (which doesn't allow this) is a failed theory. So is 100% socialism.

5. Cut taxes and government spending by 50% or more
Yeah. OK. Fine. Whatever. This is a ridiculous concept that has no basis in reality.

 

[wavelength]

Re: World's Smallest Political Quiz

> > First thing, you should check out the World's Smallest
> > Political Quiz --
> > http://www.self-gov.org/quiz.html -- and see where you
> > stand. You may be surprised.
> >
> > And let us know how you do!
> >
> > 73s from 954
>
> The poll (like all polls) is flawed but the results are
> interesting. It thinks I'm a big-gummint statist, but on the
> border with Centrists. Actually, I'm a moderate-government
> Centrist who believes a limitited safety net is necessary
> for a well-functioning society - but there should be limits.
>
>
> The questions and their answers can be different when
> circumstances change - like between a state of peace and a
> state of war (since 9/11 - even though war hasn't officially
> been declared since WW2 - a serious mistake in my view).
>
> I believe the poll is flawed because the "maybe" answers
> depend on the situation and the time. Almost every question
> is dependent on whether we have our Armed Forces being shot
> at or not. Right now, we do.
>
> Here are the questions and my problems with them:
>
> PERSONAL
> 1. Government should not censor speech, press, media or
> Internet
> In peacetime (read: no declared war) there is no
> censorship. Read the history of both World Wars. There was
> censorship to the point where civillian use of radio
> transmitters (and receivers during WW1) was banned.
> Censorship was legal during both World Wars. Just ask
> Hollywood.
>
> 2. Military service should be voluntary. There should be no
> draft.
> A moot point. There won't be a draft unless all hell breaks
> loose. Nobody other than Rep. Charlie Wrangel (D-NY) has
> even proposed this. Wrangel admitted that he had his
> reasons that had nothing to do with military preparedness.
> It'll take a nuclear attack to bring back the draft. At
> least Wrangel was man enough to admit why he proposed it.
>
> 3. There should be no laws regarding sex for consenting
> adults.
> What adults do in their bedrooms is no business of any
> government - federal, state, or local.
>
> 4. Repeal laws prohibiting adult possession and use of
> drugs.
> Drugs have a detrimental effect on society. Sex doesn't (as
> long as it involves consenting adults).
>
> 5. There should be no National ID card.
> We already have one. It's called your Social Security Card,
> and your SSN is your Federal Tax ID Number. AFAIK, you
> can't do business with any level of government or financial
> institution without that number. It doesn't make it right
> but it makes it a fact. Deal with it.
>
>
> ECONOMIC
> 1. End "corporate welfare." No government handouts to
> business.
> Corporate welfare, and the political payoffs that result
> from it, is the raison-d'etre of state & local government.
> Again, deal with it.
>
> 2. End government barriers to international free trade.
> This is the tough one. Free trade is good, but it must be
> fair trade. That can't happen with countries that, quite
> frankley, have a slave-labor force such as China, Vietnam,
> and some South American coutnries. Wait until sub-Saharan
> Africa gets involved in another 10-15 years.
>
> 3. Let people control their own retirement; privatize
> Social Security.
> When I was 20 (in 1975) I thought this was a good idea. If
> you're young enough, it still might work. But now that I've
> put 30 years of FICA into the system, I want MY money back.
> Selfish? You betcha. But if a privatization program was
> started voluntariy with people under 30....
>
> 4. Replace government welfare with private charity.
> Both can co-exist. Private is better but 100% private
> charity isn't practical. A well-functioning society must
> have a limited safety net. Libertarinaism/laizze-faire
> capitalism (which doesn't allow this) is a failed theory.
> So is 100% socialism.
>
> 5. Cut taxes and government spending by 50% or more
> Yeah. OK. Fine. Whatever. This is a ridiculous concept
> that has no basis in reality.
>


I am a Liberterian!

 

[954]

Re: World's Smallest Political Quiz

> I am a Liberterian!
>

Thought so. I suspect Peppertree is, too.

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