FYI - NYC Get's Jacked

[TJMPRO]

Legendary WCBS-FM make the flip. The below text is from FMQB..

http://fmqb.com/Article.asp?id=90570

http://1011jackfm.com/

Infinity Launches Jack In New York City & Chicago

Infinity launched the Jack format in New York City and Chicago today. WCBS-FM in New York City made the switch at 5 p.m. ET, kicking off the new programming with "Fight For Your Right (To Party)" by the Beastie Boys. In Chicago, WJMK-FM launched Jack at 4 p.m. CT.

 

[Joseph_Gallant]

Even With "Mike 93.7", Could WODS Get "Jack"-ed??

It's safe to say that had Entercom not launched a "Jack"-type format at 93.7, WODS-103.3 also would have flipped to "Jack" today (June 3rd).

Despite Entercom's "Mike 93.7", could Infinity flip WODS to "Jack" anyway??

 

[Garrett]

The Destruction of a Legendary station

Proof that Jack is NOT just a fad.

Comming soon to a frequency near you... JACK FM!

 

[Oldbones]

Re: The Destruction of a Legendary station

> Proof that Jack is NOT just a fad.
>
> Comming soon to a frequency near you... JACK FM!

Proof of nothing. Remember the whole rhythmic gold ("Jammin' Oldies") fad of the late 90s? Or so-called "modern AC" of roughly the same time frame.

 

[Frish]

Re: The Destruction of a Legendary station

> > Proof that Jack is NOT just a fad.
> >
> > Comming soon to a frequency near you... JACK FM!
>
> Proof of nothing. Remember the whole rhythmic gold
> ("Jammin' Oldies") fad of the late 90s? Or so-called
> "modern AC" of roughly the same time frame.
>


Exactly right.

Legendary? WNEW Fm was a legendary rock station too even though no one, NO ONE was listening to it. CBS Fm legendary? not so much. ODS still has decent numbers in addition to "Mike fm" already being here so anyone thinking ODS could still flip isnt really thinking clearly.

 

[JustinT]

Re: Even With "Mike 93.7", Could WODS Get "Jack"-ed??

> It's safe to say that had Entercom not launched a
> "Jack"-type format at 93.7, WODS-103.3 also would have
> flipped to "Jack" today (June 3rd).

I think it would have happened even sooner. Seeing what was going on with WROR, Mix 98.5, and 92.9 WBOS, it was really boiling down to who was going to make the plunge all the way. Honestly, I think that 98-5 Jack FM was probably a week or two away.

>
> Despite Entercom's "Mike 93.7", could Infinity flip WODS to
> "Jack" anyway??
>

Any other day, Joe, I'd say that you're crazy. But right now I really don't know.

Mike is not really Jack, as we all know. There's way too much former Star 93.7 music in there. Every day, it seems that there are more and more rhythmic tracks on 93.7. Chicago also has a station similar to Jack-FM, Nine FM. It seems that everyone knows how Nine is getting no ratings. To me, it seems that Nine is about as similar to Jack as Mike is to Jack. Mike made basically no buzz in it's first book, and to me, it's pretty obvious why. It's like Star with no airstaff.

Would Infinity be wise to flip 103.3? Hell no. The ratings are great, it's got some heritage, and I'd bet that the billing is near or at the top. But right now I don't think that heritage means anything to Infinity. Especially that 98.5 is still doing those Whatever Weekends, it would make no sense to kill 103.3.

In Chicago, Infinity should have killed 105.9 WCKG. Instead they killed 104.3 WJMK. In New York, Infinity should have killed either K-Rock 92.3 or Mix 102.7. Instead, they killed one of New York's, and perhaps the country's, most legendary stations, 101.1 CBS-FM. In Boston, it would have been wise to kill Mix 98.5. Could they kill Oldies 103.3?

 

[millennium]

Re: Even With "Mike 93.7", Could WODS Get "Jack"-ed??

Joseph, Joseph - of all your theories this one is not favored by the oddsmakers (or is favored if they are taking your bet)

Jim Morrison has more chance of being alive than WODS flipping

You'll hear a new Elvis Presley interview on WODS before you hear JACK or MIKE

Personally, it might be a good time to make WBCN a non-dj station, God knows they haven't found anyone as compelling as Charles/Ken/Mark in the past two decades.
And the ratings would be much better.


> It's safe to say that had Entercom not launched a
> "Jack"-type format at 93.7, WODS-103.3 also would have
> flipped to "Jack" today (June 3rd).
>
> Despite Entercom's "Mike 93.7", could Infinity flip WODS to
> "Jack" anyway??
>

 

[Retro]

Re: Even With "Mike 93.7", Could WODS Get "Jack"-ed??

>
> In Chicago, Infinity should have killed 105.9 WCKG. Instead
> they killed 104.3 WJMK. In New York, Infinity should have
> killed either K-Rock 92.3 or Mix 102.7. Instead, they killed
> one of New York's, and perhaps the country's, most legendary
> stations, 101.1 CBS-FM. In Boston, it would have been wise
> to kill Mix 98.5. Could they kill Oldies 103.3?
>

When I first read the header of the thread, I thought for sure that they had put it on 102.7. Are they still using the call letters WNEW? Much to my surprise, they got rid of the premiere oldies station in the country! :O

 

[Retro]

Re: Even With "Mike 93.7", Could WODS Get "Jack"-ed??

> Joseph, Joseph - of all your theories this one is not
> favored by the oddsmakers (or is favored if they are taking
> your bet)
>
> Jim Morrison has more chance of being alive than WODS
> flipping
>
> You'll hear a new Elvis Presley interview on WODS before you
> hear JACK or MIKE
>
> Personally, it might be a good time to make WBCN a non-dj
> station, God knows they haven't found anyone as compelling
> as Charles/Ken/Mark in the past two decades.
> And the ratings would be much better.

And the plot continues to thicken...

 

[fatbastard]

Re: Even With "Mike 93.7", Could WODS Get "Jack"-ed??

> It's safe to say that had Entercom not launched a
> "Jack"-type format at 93.7, WODS-103.3 also would have
> flipped to "Jack" today (June 3rd).

So typical of you to make such sweeping statements without
understanding what's really going on. 93.7 is not Jack-type format at all.
Mike is mostly AC oldies from 70's,80's and 90's for chicks. It's not
50-50 female/male which is Jacks signature.


> Despite Entercom's "Mike 93.7", could Infinity flip WODS to
> "Jack" anyway??
>

Despite their idiotic TV campaign, 93-7 is not Jack or Jack-type. Far from it.
Entercom has not committed to the Jack format that's why Mike will
be a massive failure. They're playing it safe, that's why they'll lose
their shirts. The only way to play and win is to go all out, the way Infinity
has been doing it in Dallas(#1 in 25-54), LA(strong gains for 93.1)
and now NYC and Chicago which will become big gainers. They can still
flip Oldies to Jack any time they want.
<P ID="signature">______________
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be no programming if it wasn't for loooong commercial breaks. Remmeber that!</P>

 

[fatbastard]

Re: The Destruction of a Legendary station

> Proof that Jack is NOT just a fad.

It all depends how long Jack stations can sustain the gains.
Talk to us in two years. But the early returns definitely impress.
>
> Comming soon to a frequency near you... JACK FM!
>
Mike is a complete and utter fraud that's why it's going to be
a total bust. Yup, Boston will get a true Jack soon. It will still
be Greater Media -- WROR. I am standing by what I said here weeks
ago. They're already prepping their audience. Just listen...
<P ID="signature">______________
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Yes, I am a radio sales weasel but there would
be no programming if it wasn't for loooong commercial breaks. Remmeber that!</P>

 

[Frish]

Re: Even With "Mike 93.7", Could WODS Get "Jack"-ed??

> > It's safe to say that had Entercom not launched a
> > "Jack"-type format at 93.7, WODS-103.3 also would have
> > flipped to "Jack" today (June 3rd).
>
> So typical of you to make such sweeping statements without
> understanding what's really going on. 93.7 is not Jack-type
> format at all.
> Mike is mostly AC oldies from 70's,80's and 90's for chicks.
> It's not
> 50-50 female/male which is Jacks signature.
>
> Incorrect Ratzo, Mike =J ack, its a jack station that is trying very hard to straddle the line and retain the few star listeners that might still want to sit through "welcome to the jungle" to hear the odd Disco classic because where else can they hear any of that?. It's a jack station but they're trying to have their cake and eat it too, dont over think it and dont try to legitimize the Jack fad by saying that Mike is not a real Jack. Entercom doesnt want to completely give up the star core.

 

[Frish]

Re: Even With "Mike 93.7", Could WODS Get "Jack"-ed??

> Joseph, Joseph - of all your theories this one is not
> favored by the oddsmakers (or is favored if they are taking
> your bet)
>
> Jim Morrison has more chance of being alive than WODS
> flipping
>
> You'll hear a new Elvis Presley interview on WODS before you
> hear JACK or MIKE
>
> Personally, it might be a good time to make WBCN a non-dj
> station, God knows they haven't found anyone as compelling
> as Charles/Ken/Mark in the past two decades.
> And the ratings would be much better.
>


Well that's just dumb on every front.

 

[millennium]

Re: Even With "Mike 93.7", Could WODS Get "Jack"-ed??

Actually, Frish, that's just my thought on what is possible. If you want to know what I would love to see happen, it would be WRKO to flip to JACK, because right now it is a station that is turned OFF because the propaganda is JACK,
and put the two words together and turn 'em around for a review of RKO

> >
> > Personally, it might be a good time to make WBCN a non-dj
> > station, God knows they haven't found anyone as compelling
>
> > as Charles/Ken/Mark in the past two decades.
> > And the ratings would be much better.
> >
>
>
> Well that's just dumb on every front.
>
Frish - don't you know humor when you see it???

But on an upnote, FRISH, all kidding aside, you are exactly right with this comment:

Mike =J ack, its a jack station that is trying very hard to straddle the line and retain the few star listeners that might still want to sit through "welcome to the jungle" to hear the odd Disco classic because where else can they hear any of that?. It's a jack station but they're trying to have their cake and eat it too

 

[raccoonradio]

Re: Even With "Mike 93.7", Could WODS Get "Jack"-ed??

> Actually, Frish, that's just my thought on what is possible.
> If you want to know what I would love to see happen, it
> would be WRKO to flip to JACK

With the pretty good ratings they have I would doubt it. Music on _AM_?

 

[Eli Polonsky]

Re: Even With "Mike 93.7", Could WODS Get "Jack"-ed??

> > In Chicago, Infinity should have killed 105.9 WCKG. Instead
> > they killed 104.3 WJMK. In New York, Infinity should have
> > killed either K-Rock 92.3 or Mix 102.7. Instead, they killed
> > one of New York's, and perhaps the country's, most legendary
> > stations, 101.1 CBS-FM. In Boston, it would have been wise
> > to kill Mix 98.5. Could they kill Oldies 103.3?
> >
>
> When I first read the header of the thread, I thought for
> sure that they had put it on 102.7. Are they still using the
> call letters WNEW? Much to my surprise, they got rid of the
> premiere oldies station in the country! :O

It really doesn't make sense. WCBS-FM was Infinity's top-rated music station in the NYC book, and WNEW was quite a ways down the list, with a Hot AC format which would have been more congruous with going "Jack".

Infinity's consultants must be thinking that the "oldies" demo will simply be "too old" in a few years and won't "bill well" any more, and that "Jack", with what is essentially a variety of pop hits from the past four decades, will replace them.

Hopefully, Infinity in Boston will have the sense NOT to go along with it with WODS, but if WCBS-FM is an indication, perhaps good ratings right now don't matter in Infinity's future "vision".

Well, WODS does quite well here, so the next question down the line: If they actually flip WODS, what other company will flip a Boston FM station to Oldies to grab the audience? WROR is almost an Oldies station now, they might be wise to wait and see what Infinity does...

 

[fatbastard]

Re: Even With "Mike 93.7", Could WODS Get "Jack"-ed??

> > Incorrect Ratzo, Mike =J ack, its a jack station that is
> trying very hard to straddle the line and retain the few
> star listeners that might still want to sit through "welcome
> to the jungle" to hear the odd Disco classic because where
> else can they hear any of that?. It's a jack station but
> they're trying to have their cake and eat it too, dont over
> think it and dont try to legitimize the Jack fad by saying
> that Mike is not a real Jack. Entercom doesnt want to
> completely give up the star core.
>

Not legitimazing anything, Frish. Infinity is driving Jack. It may not
be what people who are used to the formula radio want to hear, but
they're taking a chance. Fad or not, it's different. It takes balls to
put it out there. Props to the people on the 46th floor of the
Viacom building. They pulled the plug on 'CBS-FM because it was stale
and boring formula radio and billing has been going down hill for the
last few years. Infinity doesn't want to break even. They want to make
money like everyone else. Radio is business, not charity work. You don't
see Chrissy Lydon working for 35 grand a year because he is passionate
about radio.

Entercom is trying to do it on the cheap but they don't want to go
for the real deal. They won't succeed.<P ID="signature">______________
"I am walkin' here!!!"

Yes, I am a radio sales weasel but there would
be no programming if it wasn't for loooong commercial breaks. Remmeber that!</P>

 

[Frish]

Re: Even With "Mike 93.7", Could WODS Get "Jack"-ed??

> Actually, Frish, that's just my thought on what is possible.
> If you want to know what I would love to see happen, it
> would be WRKO to flip to JACK, because right now it is a
> station that is turned OFF because the propaganda is JACK,
> and put the two words together and turn 'em around for a
> review of RKO
>
The point is that what you suggested is not at all possible. RKO makes a lot of money as a talk station like it's content or not and why would they flip to Jack? WHO would ever listen to music on Am again? no one would do it ever.

 

[Retro]

Re: Even With "Mike 93.7", Could WODS Get "Jack"-ed??

> Infinity's consultants must be thinking that the "oldies"
> demo will simply be "too old" in a few years and won't "bill
> well" any more, and that "Jack", with what is essentially a
> variety of pop hits from the past four decades, will replace
> them.
>
> Hopefully, Infinity in Boston will have the sense NOT to go
> along with it with WODS, but if WCBS-FM is an indication,
> perhaps good ratings right now don't matter in Infinity's
> future "vision".
>
> Well, WODS does quite well here, so the next question down
> the line: If they actually flip WODS, what other company
> will flip a Boston FM station to Oldies to grab the
> audience? WROR is almost an Oldies station now, they might
> be wise to wait and see what Infinity does...
>

WROR ould only gain from something like that. With Oldies, I have seen the format continueously evolving. I mean wouldn't only be natural to be play some early 80's "pop" hits within the next few years?

 

[OldiesCat]

jey, now

Actually, in Joseph's defense, Mike-FM is indeed a brand of Jack. A little
different but the same general idea: a mile wide and an inch deep.

Please do your homework.


>
> So typical of you to make such sweeping statements without
> understanding what's really going on. 93.7 is not Jack-type
> format at all.
> Mike is mostly AC oldies from 70's,80's and 90's for chicks.
> It's not
> 50-50 female/male which is Jacks signature.
>
>
> > Despite Entercom's "Mike 93.7", could Infinity flip WODS
> to "Jack" anyway??
> >
>
> Despite their idiotic TV campaign, 93-7 is not Jack or
> Jack-type. Far from it.
> Entercom has not committed to the Jack format that's why
> Mike will
> be a massive failure. They're playing it safe, that's why
> they'll lose
> their shirts. The only way to play and win is to go all out,
> the way Infinity
> has been doing it in Dallas(#1 in 25-54), LA(strong gains
> for 93.1)
> and now NYC and Chicago which will become big gainers. They
> can still
> flip Oldies to Jack any time they want.
>