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strapshoechris
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Re: U missed the point-The pointe is...
Hey 2001, you ARE right on target...All I've been trying to pointe out to Oldiescat is the vulnerability of KOOL despite their appearent monopoly on the formatt in this market. I, too love Mac Arthur Park and even have the Four Tops version of it which you can also hear on stations like KRRR. I also have Mike Oldfield's 12" LP Tubular Bells with the long versions on each side. Unfortunatly nobody here in Denver is getting to hear them much because I've been displaced as a D.J. since Februrary when the gig I did my regular weekly shows at got sold (The Shamrock Bar at 54 S. Broadway). I played my "Operation Rewind" there for two and a half grate years, with six previous months at a club farther down Broadway. I left radio (always a sideline) several years ago because I enjoyed being the "ambience" D.J. (a rare breed these days) and interacting with my listeners face-to-face. Although I can still get one-time gigs here and there, such as the show I did Saturday night for displaced fans of Fey's cancelled Fathers'day concert, I'm still optomistic I can work something out with another club on a regular basis. There are a couple of places I've been talking with owners of. When I do play, however, I almost always have pepole come up to me and say, "wow, I haven't heard that one in years!" Of course we all know that's because KOOL don't play it. I feel I'm being a constructive critic of that station as I do know Randy Jay personally and he knows how I feel about their play list. He keeps trying to reassure me that "in time they will expand". I'll admit I've heard a handful of smaller label stuff recently that I don't remember KOOL playing before. But they do still get repetitive with songs like "O pretty woman". Why don't we ever hear Orbison's "O Blue angle" or "Ride Away" on KOOL?
>
> I agree with your take on Kool 105. I've always felt that
> KOOL's playlist has been woefully short on variety. And yes,
> KRRR (and even KOMA in OKC) has waaaay more variety. You
> know, when a station like KRRR plays the "The Theme From The
> Excorcist", or when KOMA plays the late Richard Harris'
> version of "MacArthur Park" (All seven minutes of
> it!!)----now that's what I call variety!!! And although some
> people may gasp to themselves and/or laugh out-loud and say
> that "MacArthur Park" is one of the worst songs ever
> recorded, that, to me, is not the point! The point is:
> VARIETY!!! And let's face it, you'll never hear songs like
> that on KOOL 105!! And for those KOOL fans who say that
> KOOL's numbers are consistently good and that obviously
> someone is listening to KOOL 105 on a daily basis, I say
> this......Numbers can be misleading sometimes. As far as
> oldies go, KOOL is the only horse in town. And as such, if
> you're an oldies person, you're gonna listen to KOOL 105
> because there isn't anywhere else to turn to!! What I can't
> stand about KOOL is they play a Beatles tune every 30
> minutes or so. And to make matters worse, it's usually the
> same half-dozen or so Beatles songs!!! Now I realize that
> the Beatles are the biggest thing to ever happen to the
> music scene as we know it, but come on!! Must they play a
> Beatles tune every 30 minutes or so?????!!!!! I mean, GEEZ!
> Give me a break!! If my memory serves me correctly, I pretty
> sure that there were plenty of other singers and groups that
> made the 1960's and 1970's what they were,
> musically-speaking. And like I said, they play the same 6 or
> 7 Beatles tunes!! And if they stray from that list of 6 or 7
> Beatles tunes they always play, it's because someone called
> up the station and made a Beatles request for a Beatles tune
> that they hadn't heard in a while, like "Norwegian Wood" or
> whatever. Now I ask you, how many Top 40 hits did the
> Beatles have, anyway??!! Over 30???!!! Close to 40???!!!
> Once again...GEEZ!!! I'm sick of hearing "Love Me Do" and
> "She Loves You" and "Hard Day's Night" over and over and
> over and over and over and over and over and over and over
> and over and over and over and over again!!!!! Aren't
> you??!!!
>
> KOOL 105 is a joke! I'm so disgusted with that station! It's
> not the way I would operate an oldies station!! Which leads
> me to my $64 question for you, strapshoe......Where do you
> work? Is your station hiring right now? It sounds to me like
> you and I are on the same page, brother! I like that! Great
> minds think alike! Anyway, if you ever find yourself at a
> station that wants to go oldies, and you're in charge of
> making it happen, give me a shout! I'll work for you!---Any
> day!
>
>
> > > > Sorry Cat, but Denver could do a lot better than "Kool
>
> > > 105".
> > > > Although a little better in recent times, their play
> > list
> > > is
> > > > "Kool Aid" compared to other oldies stations elsewhere
>
> > > like
> > > > KSPZ or KRRR. It's sad that KXKL is in the biggest
> > market
> > > on
> > > > the front range but also has the most limited library
> in
> >
> > > its
> > > > formatt.
> > > > >
> > > > > > EARTH TO DENVER: you already have a JACK station.
>
> > > KXKL
> > > > is healthy, so why would you think they'd change
> format?
> >
> > > (and, please, no
> > > > > mention of the words corporate, suite, consultants
> or
> > > cheap-thanks)> > Hopefully you've been paying attention
> to
> >
> > > the drama that
> > > > > > gripped New York City in the past few weeks. My
> > > question for
> > > > > > Denver is: Could it happen here?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What happened, of course, is that without warning
> on
> >
> > > > June
> > > > > 3,
> > > > > > the nation's pre-eminent oldies station,
> > > Infinity-owned
> > > > > > WCBS-FM, dropped oldies after 33 years, fired the
> > > > beloved
> > > > > > Bruce "Cousin Brucie" Morrow and several other New
>
> > > York
> > > > > > radio institutions, and went to the Jack format.
> > > > > > Simultaneously, Infinity's Chicago oldies outlet
> did
> >
> > > the
> > > >
> > > > > > same.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > “The research has shown us that people are looking
>
> > for
> > > a
> > > >
> > > > > > radio station in their market with less repetition
>
> > and
> > >
> > > > > more
> > > > > > variety,” said Les Hollander, Infinity's senior
> vice
> >
> > > > > > president. “Whether it’s radio, television, iPods
> or
> >
> > > > > > listening to music on your computer, people are
> > > > beginning
> > > > > to
> > > > > > use media a little bit differently. In programming
> a
> >
> > > > radio
> > > > >
> > > > > > station, you have to take that into account.”
> > > > > >
> > > > > > More bluntly, another Infinity exec who begged
> > > anonymity
> > > >
> > > > > > said, "How are you going to get a 25-year-old ad
> > > > salesman
> > > > > to
> > > > > > relate to the Dave Clark Five and the Platters?"
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Call the reasoning cold, call it
> age-discriminatory,
> >
> > > > call
> > > > > it
> > > > > > cheapskate. But they do have some facts on their
> > side.
> > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > * Even though radio remains more profitable than
> > > > > newspapers,
> > > > > > network TV sion and cable, its revenue growth from
>
> > > > > > advertising may total less than 2 percent this
> year,
> >
> > > > down
> > > > > > from about 6.5 percent in 2000.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > * Listenership and time spent listening is down.
> > > Radio’s
> > > >
> > > > > > total audience dropped 4 percent over the past
> year
> > to
> > >
> > > > 194
> > > > >
> > > > > > million, down from 203 million, according to the
> NPD
> >
> > > > Group
> > > > >
> > > > > > media research company in Port Washington, N.Y.
> And
> > > > > Arbitron
> > > > > > says average TSL has dwindled to 19 hours per week
>
> > > from
> > > > 30
> > > > >
> > > > > > hours in 1993.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > * People are turning to the Web to download songs
> > > > through
> > > > > > such services as iTunes and listening to Internet
> > > radio.
> > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > * And then there's competition from Sirius and XM.
>
> > In
> > > > > fact,
> > > > > > Sirius just hired Cousin Brucie, and ran taunting
> > > > > full-page
> > > > > > ads in New York and Chicago, crowing "If a radio
> > > station
> > > >
> > > > > has
> > > > > > suddenly abandoned the format you love,
> > > > > > come to Sirius.”
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Which brings us to the other side.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > * WCBS-FM ranked SIXTH overall in the biggest
> radio
> > > > market
> > > > >
> > > > > > in the country! And overalls include 12-plus, so
> can
> >
> > > you
> > > >
> > > > > > imagine what it was doing with 35-54s?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > * And speaking of 35-54s, which demographic has a
> > > bigger
> > > >
> > > > > > pool of disposable income than the boomers? Given
> > > that,
> > > > > what
> > > > > > the heck makes the oldies format so
> demographically
> > > > > > undesirable -- unless it's simply that the
> Gen-Xers
> > > out
> > > > > > selling ads can't relate to it and thus don't WANT
>
> > to
> > > > sell
> > > > >
> > > > > > it?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > OK, now, that brings us back to Denver and
> Kool-105.
> >
> > > > > > INFINITY-OWNED Kool-105, that is. Our local
> Infinity
> >
> > > > > cluster
> > > > > > has new leadership up there on the 11th floor of
> the
> >
> > > > > Denver
> > > > > > Post Tower, doesn't it. New York-selected
> > leadership.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > A saving grace is that we already have a Jack in
> > > Denver.
> > > >
> > > > > But
> > > > > > still -- could a format change be in the offing
> for
> > > > KXKL?
> > > > > > Randy Jay and Da Boogieman and Steve Alexander and
>
> > the
> > >
> > > > > rest
> > > > > > -- on the air today and on the street tomorrow?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Might Infinity-Denver throw out its consistent
> > top-10
> > > > > oldies
> > > > > > format, and those big-spending 35-to-54s with it?
> > > Should
> > > >
> > > > > it?
> > > > > > And if it happened, would it be good business, or
> > > simply
> > > >
> > > > > one
> > > > > > generation failing to relate to another?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > And is there another solution?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What I think is that Infinity has abandoned a
> > > profitable
> > > >
> > > > > and
> > > > > > influential segment of the audience and has
> created
> > an
> > >
> > > > > > enormous groundswell of bad will in New York --
> > > > including
> > > > > a
> > > > > > blistering attack from New York's senior U.S.
> > senator,
> > >
> > > > > > Charles Schumer, on his website -- and has done
> much
> >
> > > to
> > > > > fuel
> > > > > > the exodus from broadcast radio to satellite.
> > > Definitely
> > > > a
> > > > >
> > > > > > Sirius setback for the defenders of free radio.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > But then, tomorrow (Thursday) is my 53rd birthday,
>
> > so
> > > > I'm
> > > > > as
> > > > > > biased as anybody.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What do YOU think?
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
Hey 2001, you ARE right on target...All I've been trying to pointe out to Oldiescat is the vulnerability of KOOL despite their appearent monopoly on the formatt in this market. I, too love Mac Arthur Park and even have the Four Tops version of it which you can also hear on stations like KRRR. I also have Mike Oldfield's 12" LP Tubular Bells with the long versions on each side. Unfortunatly nobody here in Denver is getting to hear them much because I've been displaced as a D.J. since Februrary when the gig I did my regular weekly shows at got sold (The Shamrock Bar at 54 S. Broadway). I played my "Operation Rewind" there for two and a half grate years, with six previous months at a club farther down Broadway. I left radio (always a sideline) several years ago because I enjoyed being the "ambience" D.J. (a rare breed these days) and interacting with my listeners face-to-face. Although I can still get one-time gigs here and there, such as the show I did Saturday night for displaced fans of Fey's cancelled Fathers'day concert, I'm still optomistic I can work something out with another club on a regular basis. There are a couple of places I've been talking with owners of. When I do play, however, I almost always have pepole come up to me and say, "wow, I haven't heard that one in years!" Of course we all know that's because KOOL don't play it. I feel I'm being a constructive critic of that station as I do know Randy Jay personally and he knows how I feel about their play list. He keeps trying to reassure me that "in time they will expand". I'll admit I've heard a handful of smaller label stuff recently that I don't remember KOOL playing before. But they do still get repetitive with songs like "O pretty woman". Why don't we ever hear Orbison's "O Blue angle" or "Ride Away" on KOOL?
>
> I agree with your take on Kool 105. I've always felt that
> KOOL's playlist has been woefully short on variety. And yes,
> KRRR (and even KOMA in OKC) has waaaay more variety. You
> know, when a station like KRRR plays the "The Theme From The
> Excorcist", or when KOMA plays the late Richard Harris'
> version of "MacArthur Park" (All seven minutes of
> it!!)----now that's what I call variety!!! And although some
> people may gasp to themselves and/or laugh out-loud and say
> that "MacArthur Park" is one of the worst songs ever
> recorded, that, to me, is not the point! The point is:
> VARIETY!!! And let's face it, you'll never hear songs like
> that on KOOL 105!! And for those KOOL fans who say that
> KOOL's numbers are consistently good and that obviously
> someone is listening to KOOL 105 on a daily basis, I say
> this......Numbers can be misleading sometimes. As far as
> oldies go, KOOL is the only horse in town. And as such, if
> you're an oldies person, you're gonna listen to KOOL 105
> because there isn't anywhere else to turn to!! What I can't
> stand about KOOL is they play a Beatles tune every 30
> minutes or so. And to make matters worse, it's usually the
> same half-dozen or so Beatles songs!!! Now I realize that
> the Beatles are the biggest thing to ever happen to the
> music scene as we know it, but come on!! Must they play a
> Beatles tune every 30 minutes or so?????!!!!! I mean, GEEZ!
> Give me a break!! If my memory serves me correctly, I pretty
> sure that there were plenty of other singers and groups that
> made the 1960's and 1970's what they were,
> musically-speaking. And like I said, they play the same 6 or
> 7 Beatles tunes!! And if they stray from that list of 6 or 7
> Beatles tunes they always play, it's because someone called
> up the station and made a Beatles request for a Beatles tune
> that they hadn't heard in a while, like "Norwegian Wood" or
> whatever. Now I ask you, how many Top 40 hits did the
> Beatles have, anyway??!! Over 30???!!! Close to 40???!!!
> Once again...GEEZ!!! I'm sick of hearing "Love Me Do" and
> "She Loves You" and "Hard Day's Night" over and over and
> over and over and over and over and over and over and over
> and over and over and over and over again!!!!! Aren't
> you??!!!
>
> KOOL 105 is a joke! I'm so disgusted with that station! It's
> not the way I would operate an oldies station!! Which leads
> me to my $64 question for you, strapshoe......Where do you
> work? Is your station hiring right now? It sounds to me like
> you and I are on the same page, brother! I like that! Great
> minds think alike! Anyway, if you ever find yourself at a
> station that wants to go oldies, and you're in charge of
> making it happen, give me a shout! I'll work for you!---Any
> day!
>
>
> > > > Sorry Cat, but Denver could do a lot better than "Kool
>
> > > 105".
> > > > Although a little better in recent times, their play
> > list
> > > is
> > > > "Kool Aid" compared to other oldies stations elsewhere
>
> > > like
> > > > KSPZ or KRRR. It's sad that KXKL is in the biggest
> > market
> > > on
> > > > the front range but also has the most limited library
> in
> >
> > > its
> > > > formatt.
> > > > >
> > > > > > EARTH TO DENVER: you already have a JACK station.
>
> > > KXKL
> > > > is healthy, so why would you think they'd change
> format?
> >
> > > (and, please, no
> > > > > mention of the words corporate, suite, consultants
> or
> > > cheap-thanks)> > Hopefully you've been paying attention
> to
> >
> > > the drama that
> > > > > > gripped New York City in the past few weeks. My
> > > question for
> > > > > > Denver is: Could it happen here?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What happened, of course, is that without warning
> on
> >
> > > > June
> > > > > 3,
> > > > > > the nation's pre-eminent oldies station,
> > > Infinity-owned
> > > > > > WCBS-FM, dropped oldies after 33 years, fired the
> > > > beloved
> > > > > > Bruce "Cousin Brucie" Morrow and several other New
>
> > > York
> > > > > > radio institutions, and went to the Jack format.
> > > > > > Simultaneously, Infinity's Chicago oldies outlet
> did
> >
> > > the
> > > >
> > > > > > same.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > “The research has shown us that people are looking
>
> > for
> > > a
> > > >
> > > > > > radio station in their market with less repetition
>
> > and
> > >
> > > > > more
> > > > > > variety,” said Les Hollander, Infinity's senior
> vice
> >
> > > > > > president. “Whether it’s radio, television, iPods
> or
> >
> > > > > > listening to music on your computer, people are
> > > > beginning
> > > > > to
> > > > > > use media a little bit differently. In programming
> a
> >
> > > > radio
> > > > >
> > > > > > station, you have to take that into account.”
> > > > > >
> > > > > > More bluntly, another Infinity exec who begged
> > > anonymity
> > > >
> > > > > > said, "How are you going to get a 25-year-old ad
> > > > salesman
> > > > > to
> > > > > > relate to the Dave Clark Five and the Platters?"
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Call the reasoning cold, call it
> age-discriminatory,
> >
> > > > call
> > > > > it
> > > > > > cheapskate. But they do have some facts on their
> > side.
> > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > * Even though radio remains more profitable than
> > > > > newspapers,
> > > > > > network TV sion and cable, its revenue growth from
>
> > > > > > advertising may total less than 2 percent this
> year,
> >
> > > > down
> > > > > > from about 6.5 percent in 2000.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > * Listenership and time spent listening is down.
> > > Radio’s
> > > >
> > > > > > total audience dropped 4 percent over the past
> year
> > to
> > >
> > > > 194
> > > > >
> > > > > > million, down from 203 million, according to the
> NPD
> >
> > > > Group
> > > > >
> > > > > > media research company in Port Washington, N.Y.
> And
> > > > > Arbitron
> > > > > > says average TSL has dwindled to 19 hours per week
>
> > > from
> > > > 30
> > > > >
> > > > > > hours in 1993.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > * People are turning to the Web to download songs
> > > > through
> > > > > > such services as iTunes and listening to Internet
> > > radio.
> > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > * And then there's competition from Sirius and XM.
>
> > In
> > > > > fact,
> > > > > > Sirius just hired Cousin Brucie, and ran taunting
> > > > > full-page
> > > > > > ads in New York and Chicago, crowing "If a radio
> > > station
> > > >
> > > > > has
> > > > > > suddenly abandoned the format you love,
> > > > > > come to Sirius.”
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Which brings us to the other side.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > * WCBS-FM ranked SIXTH overall in the biggest
> radio
> > > > market
> > > > >
> > > > > > in the country! And overalls include 12-plus, so
> can
> >
> > > you
> > > >
> > > > > > imagine what it was doing with 35-54s?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > * And speaking of 35-54s, which demographic has a
> > > bigger
> > > >
> > > > > > pool of disposable income than the boomers? Given
> > > that,
> > > > > what
> > > > > > the heck makes the oldies format so
> demographically
> > > > > > undesirable -- unless it's simply that the
> Gen-Xers
> > > out
> > > > > > selling ads can't relate to it and thus don't WANT
>
> > to
> > > > sell
> > > > >
> > > > > > it?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > OK, now, that brings us back to Denver and
> Kool-105.
> >
> > > > > > INFINITY-OWNED Kool-105, that is. Our local
> Infinity
> >
> > > > > cluster
> > > > > > has new leadership up there on the 11th floor of
> the
> >
> > > > > Denver
> > > > > > Post Tower, doesn't it. New York-selected
> > leadership.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > A saving grace is that we already have a Jack in
> > > Denver.
> > > >
> > > > > But
> > > > > > still -- could a format change be in the offing
> for
> > > > KXKL?
> > > > > > Randy Jay and Da Boogieman and Steve Alexander and
>
> > the
> > >
> > > > > rest
> > > > > > -- on the air today and on the street tomorrow?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Might Infinity-Denver throw out its consistent
> > top-10
> > > > > oldies
> > > > > > format, and those big-spending 35-to-54s with it?
> > > Should
> > > >
> > > > > it?
> > > > > > And if it happened, would it be good business, or
> > > simply
> > > >
> > > > > one
> > > > > > generation failing to relate to another?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > And is there another solution?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What I think is that Infinity has abandoned a
> > > profitable
> > > >
> > > > > and
> > > > > > influential segment of the audience and has
> created
> > an
> > >
> > > > > > enormous groundswell of bad will in New York --
> > > > including
> > > > > a
> > > > > > blistering attack from New York's senior U.S.
> > senator,
> > >
> > > > > > Charles Schumer, on his website -- and has done
> much
> >
> > > to
> > > > > fuel
> > > > > > the exodus from broadcast radio to satellite.
> > > Definitely
> > > > a
> > > > >
> > > > > > Sirius setback for the defenders of free radio.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > But then, tomorrow (Thursday) is my 53rd birthday,
>
> > so
> > > > I'm
> > > > > as
> > > > > > biased as anybody.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What do YOU think?
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>