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Jim_Hicks
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Does the lack of any new posting here indicate that us radio geeks have given up on the format?
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crushtl
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> Does the lack of any new posting here indicate that us radio
> geeks have given up on the format?
>
Given up? Never!
Unfortunately the format hasn't given us much to talk about lately.
> geeks have given up on the format?
>
Given up? Never!
Unfortunately the format hasn't given us much to talk about lately.
> > Does the lack of any new posting here indicate that us
> radio
> > geeks have given up on the format?
> >
> Given up? Never!
> Unfortunately the format hasn't given us much to talk about
> lately.
Is it me, or has 2005 been another rather so-so year for NAC/SJ currents/new music??? I looked at the R&R year-end NAC/SJ chart and it seems...maybe it's me..but it seems there are fewer and fewer really great tracks every year these past 4 or 5 years.
But...really...is NAC/SJ any different than any genre of music? If radio won't play enough new product to give it a chance to be judged by the public...then fewer and fewer artists will record in the format.
I love the music, but am dissappointed how NAC/SJ radio has followed the rest of radio: fewer real currents...and they hang on to these "currents" for 6 to 9 months. MONTHS!
Why in heaven's name would your powers be 6 to 9 months old, and you play them...what...6, 8, or more spins per 24-hour-day for months and months and months? I know it's a business, but good heavens: isn't it getting overly-predictable and boring??? Again I wonder...maybe it's just me.
> radio
> > geeks have given up on the format?
> >
> Given up? Never!
> Unfortunately the format hasn't given us much to talk about
> lately.
Is it me, or has 2005 been another rather so-so year for NAC/SJ currents/new music??? I looked at the R&R year-end NAC/SJ chart and it seems...maybe it's me..but it seems there are fewer and fewer really great tracks every year these past 4 or 5 years.
But...really...is NAC/SJ any different than any genre of music? If radio won't play enough new product to give it a chance to be judged by the public...then fewer and fewer artists will record in the format.
I love the music, but am dissappointed how NAC/SJ radio has followed the rest of radio: fewer real currents...and they hang on to these "currents" for 6 to 9 months. MONTHS!
Why in heaven's name would your powers be 6 to 9 months old, and you play them...what...6, 8, or more spins per 24-hour-day for months and months and months? I know it's a business, but good heavens: isn't it getting overly-predictable and boring??? Again I wonder...maybe it's just me.
J
Jim_Hicks
Guest
No, it is not just you. I have ranted about this for some time. Its just like my favorite local grocery store. They stopped carrying many favorite local products (they don't carry Herr's chips or TatsyKakes here in the Delaware Valley) for a very simple reason. The companies must pay for shelf space. If you refuse to pay, they don't carry your product.
The NY AG's office is proving that payola is very much alive and well in radio. If you don't pay you don't get played. I firmly believe some music companies are paying certain broadcast owners (such as CC) to provide x-number of plays for as long as they think a cd will keep selling.
> > > Does the lack of any new posting here indicate that us
> > radio
> > > geeks have given up on the format?
> > >
> > Given up? Never!
> > Unfortunately the format hasn't given us much to talk
> about
> > lately.
>
>
> Is it me, or has 2005 been another rather so-so year for
> NAC/SJ currents/new music??? I looked at the R&R year-end
> NAC/SJ chart and it seems...maybe it's me..but it seems
> there are fewer and fewer really great tracks every year
> these past 4 or 5 years.
>
> But...really...is NAC/SJ any different than any genre of
> music? If radio won't play enough new product to give it a
> chance to be judged by the public...then fewer and fewer
> artists will record in the format.
>
> I love the music, but am dissappointed how NAC/SJ radio has
> followed the rest of radio: fewer real currents...and they
> hang on to these "currents" for 6 to 9 months. MONTHS!
>
> Why in heaven's name would your powers be 6 to 9 months old,
> and you play them...what...6, 8, or more spins per
> 24-hour-day for months and months and months? I know it's a
> business, but good heavens: isn't it getting
> overly-predictable and boring??? Again I wonder...maybe it's
> just me.
>
The NY AG's office is proving that payola is very much alive and well in radio. If you don't pay you don't get played. I firmly believe some music companies are paying certain broadcast owners (such as CC) to provide x-number of plays for as long as they think a cd will keep selling.
> > > Does the lack of any new posting here indicate that us
> > radio
> > > geeks have given up on the format?
> > >
> > Given up? Never!
> > Unfortunately the format hasn't given us much to talk
> about
> > lately.
>
>
> Is it me, or has 2005 been another rather so-so year for
> NAC/SJ currents/new music??? I looked at the R&R year-end
> NAC/SJ chart and it seems...maybe it's me..but it seems
> there are fewer and fewer really great tracks every year
> these past 4 or 5 years.
>
> But...really...is NAC/SJ any different than any genre of
> music? If radio won't play enough new product to give it a
> chance to be judged by the public...then fewer and fewer
> artists will record in the format.
>
> I love the music, but am dissappointed how NAC/SJ radio has
> followed the rest of radio: fewer real currents...and they
> hang on to these "currents" for 6 to 9 months. MONTHS!
>
> Why in heaven's name would your powers be 6 to 9 months old,
> and you play them...what...6, 8, or more spins per
> 24-hour-day for months and months and months? I know it's a
> business, but good heavens: isn't it getting
> overly-predictable and boring??? Again I wonder...maybe it's
> just me.
>
Yep, it's the same with me. As early as a year and a half ago I'd go as far to say I was a "Smooth Jazz radio apologist", lol. But the major market Smooth Jazz stations have gotten so bland musically. That's why I've been quite intrigued with Chill music being integrated into the format, but unfortunately other than Chris Botti's syndicated show, it doesn't seem to be catching on elsewhere. Programmers just keep going the safe route when it comes to adds, along with decreasing instrumental to vocal ratios, I guess all in an effort for ratings. But I still don't know that a Smooth Jazz station with an emphasis on instrumentals can't work. I mean, has anyone even tried recently? lol<P ID="signature">______________
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> Yep, it's the same with me. As early as a year and a half
> ago I'd go as far to say I was a "Smooth Jazz radio
> apologist", lol. But the major market Smooth Jazz stations
> have gotten so bland musically. That's why I've been quite
> intrigued with Chill music being integrated into the format,
> but unfortunately other than Chris Botti's syndicated show,
> it doesn't seem to be catching on elsewhere. Programmers
> just keep going the safe route when it comes to adds, along
> with decreasing instrumental to vocal ratios, I guess all in
> an effort for ratings. But I still don't know that a Smooth
> Jazz station with an emphasis on instrumentals can't work.
> I mean, has anyone even tried recently? lol
>
You guys are right...Chill music just hasn't caught on mass-appeal.
NAC/SJ isn't really a pure radio format any more.
It has truly become a new format: hybrid AC/SJ. And, that AC/SJ format is about 85-90% recurrent and oldie/library tracks....very, very few real currents/new music.
Even this format has it's great tracks...but, there are fewer and fewer new NAC/SJ artists....and a whole truckload of pretty decent but increasingly burned-out AC oldies blended in at a nearly 1-1 ratio.
This AC/SJ format is *not* what I had in mind as a listener when I first heard tapes of KTWV in the early-to-mid 90's...and others back then.
The NAC/SJ gardeners trimmed back the rose bush TOO far...and have nearly killed the flowers.
> ago I'd go as far to say I was a "Smooth Jazz radio
> apologist", lol. But the major market Smooth Jazz stations
> have gotten so bland musically. That's why I've been quite
> intrigued with Chill music being integrated into the format,
> but unfortunately other than Chris Botti's syndicated show,
> it doesn't seem to be catching on elsewhere. Programmers
> just keep going the safe route when it comes to adds, along
> with decreasing instrumental to vocal ratios, I guess all in
> an effort for ratings. But I still don't know that a Smooth
> Jazz station with an emphasis on instrumentals can't work.
> I mean, has anyone even tried recently? lol
>
You guys are right...Chill music just hasn't caught on mass-appeal.
NAC/SJ isn't really a pure radio format any more.
It has truly become a new format: hybrid AC/SJ. And, that AC/SJ format is about 85-90% recurrent and oldie/library tracks....very, very few real currents/new music.
Even this format has it's great tracks...but, there are fewer and fewer new NAC/SJ artists....and a whole truckload of pretty decent but increasingly burned-out AC oldies blended in at a nearly 1-1 ratio.
This AC/SJ format is *not* what I had in mind as a listener when I first heard tapes of KTWV in the early-to-mid 90's...and others back then.
The NAC/SJ gardeners trimmed back the rose bush TOO far...and have nearly killed the flowers.
J
Jim_Hicks
Guest
You got it. The Wave in the beginning is what I still believe SJ/NAC should be. Now, at least at WJJZ and WSMJ, it's R&B/Motown and maybe 3 contemporary jazz numbers per hour. That is NOT what SJ/NAC was supposed to be.
> > Yep, it's the same with me. As early as a year and a half
>
> > ago I'd go as far to say I was a "Smooth Jazz radio
> > apologist", lol. But the major market Smooth Jazz
> stations
> > have gotten so bland musically. That's why I've been
> quite
> > intrigued with Chill music being integrated into the
> format,
> > but unfortunately other than Chris Botti's syndicated
> show,
> > it doesn't seem to be catching on elsewhere. Programmers
> > just keep going the safe route when it comes to adds,
> along
> > with decreasing instrumental to vocal ratios, I guess all
> in
> > an effort for ratings. But I still don't know that a
> Smooth
> > Jazz station with an emphasis on instrumentals can't work.
>
> > I mean, has anyone even tried recently? lol
> >
>
> You guys are right...Chill music just hasn't caught on
> mass-appeal.
>
> NAC/SJ isn't really a pure radio format any more.
>
> It has truly become a new format: hybrid AC/SJ. And, that
> AC/SJ format is about 85-90% recurrent and oldie/library
> tracks....very, very few real currents/new music.
>
> Even this format has it's great tracks...but, there are
> fewer and fewer new NAC/SJ artists....and a whole truckload
> of pretty decent but increasingly burned-out AC oldies
> blended in at a nearly 1-1 ratio.
>
> This AC/SJ format is *not* what I had in mind as a listener
> when I first heard tapes of KTWV in the early-to-mid
> 90's...and others back then.
>
> The NAC/SJ gardeners trimmed back the rose bush TOO
> far...and have nearly killed the flowers.
>
> > Yep, it's the same with me. As early as a year and a half
>
> > ago I'd go as far to say I was a "Smooth Jazz radio
> > apologist", lol. But the major market Smooth Jazz
> stations
> > have gotten so bland musically. That's why I've been
> quite
> > intrigued with Chill music being integrated into the
> format,
> > but unfortunately other than Chris Botti's syndicated
> show,
> > it doesn't seem to be catching on elsewhere. Programmers
> > just keep going the safe route when it comes to adds,
> along
> > with decreasing instrumental to vocal ratios, I guess all
> in
> > an effort for ratings. But I still don't know that a
> Smooth
> > Jazz station with an emphasis on instrumentals can't work.
>
> > I mean, has anyone even tried recently? lol
> >
>
> You guys are right...Chill music just hasn't caught on
> mass-appeal.
>
> NAC/SJ isn't really a pure radio format any more.
>
> It has truly become a new format: hybrid AC/SJ. And, that
> AC/SJ format is about 85-90% recurrent and oldie/library
> tracks....very, very few real currents/new music.
>
> Even this format has it's great tracks...but, there are
> fewer and fewer new NAC/SJ artists....and a whole truckload
> of pretty decent but increasingly burned-out AC oldies
> blended in at a nearly 1-1 ratio.
>
> This AC/SJ format is *not* what I had in mind as a listener
> when I first heard tapes of KTWV in the early-to-mid
> 90's...and others back then.
>
> The NAC/SJ gardeners trimmed back the rose bush TOO
> far...and have nearly killed the flowers.
>
C
crushtl
Guest
> You got it. The Wave in the beginning is what I still
> believe SJ/NAC should be. Now, at least at WJJZ and WSMJ,
> it's R&B/Motown and maybe 3 contemporary jazz numbers per
> hour. That is NOT what SJ/NAC was supposed to be.
>
>
Same with WNUA in Chicago and Milwaukee's WJZI; less then half the music is contemporary jazz. And now Minneapolis has no Smooth Jazz with KJZI switching formats.
Smooth Jazz radio is going to lose more listeners if they don't look harder at the format. Thank God for my XM and Watercolors.
> believe SJ/NAC should be. Now, at least at WJJZ and WSMJ,
> it's R&B/Motown and maybe 3 contemporary jazz numbers per
> hour. That is NOT what SJ/NAC was supposed to be.
>
>
Same with WNUA in Chicago and Milwaukee's WJZI; less then half the music is contemporary jazz. And now Minneapolis has no Smooth Jazz with KJZI switching formats.
Smooth Jazz radio is going to lose more listeners if they don't look harder at the format. Thank God for my XM and Watercolors.
P
Paul_S
Guest
> This AC/SJ format is *not* what I had in mind as a listener
> when I first heard tapes of KTWV in the early-to-mid
> 90's...and others back then.
John, I have to agree with you about stations like KTWV, KKSF, and KOAI. They sound nothing like they did in the late 1980's or early 1990's, especially when it comes to breaking new artists. The NAC/SJ format opened the door to quite a few artists that didn't get airplay elsewhere.
Did you keep those tapes of The Wave from that time? When the old Satellite Music Network tried to syndicate The Wave as a national format in the late 1980's, they sent a two-hour aircheck of KTWV and also a KSWV (San Diego) aircheck in their sales package to me. Those tapes really introduced me to the format.
In St. Louis, we had an affiliate of The Breeze network, which was based in Minneapolis. Their playlist was all over the place, but it was fun to listen to--I recorded quite a few hours of that in 1989. Later, in the 1990's, we had KCLC at Lindenwood College/University, which had a true NAC format that resembled KTWV's original format.
> when I first heard tapes of KTWV in the early-to-mid
> 90's...and others back then.
John, I have to agree with you about stations like KTWV, KKSF, and KOAI. They sound nothing like they did in the late 1980's or early 1990's, especially when it comes to breaking new artists. The NAC/SJ format opened the door to quite a few artists that didn't get airplay elsewhere.
Did you keep those tapes of The Wave from that time? When the old Satellite Music Network tried to syndicate The Wave as a national format in the late 1980's, they sent a two-hour aircheck of KTWV and also a KSWV (San Diego) aircheck in their sales package to me. Those tapes really introduced me to the format.
In St. Louis, we had an affiliate of The Breeze network, which was based in Minneapolis. Their playlist was all over the place, but it was fun to listen to--I recorded quite a few hours of that in 1989. Later, in the 1990's, we had KCLC at Lindenwood College/University, which had a true NAC format that resembled KTWV's original format.
>
> Did you keep those tapes of The Wave from that time?>
The ones I have aren't quite that old...but, here's an idea of what I did save:
*KTWV,LA: 7/97, 9/98, 10/98;
*KHIH, Denver: '97, 2/99;
*KKNW,Bremerton-Seattle: 8/91, 4/92;
*KKSF,SF: several from '98
*KWJZ,Seattle: 1/97, 11/98, 2/03.
> Did you keep those tapes of The Wave from that time?>
The ones I have aren't quite that old...but, here's an idea of what I did save:
*KTWV,LA: 7/97, 9/98, 10/98;
*KHIH, Denver: '97, 2/99;
*KKNW,Bremerton-Seattle: 8/91, 4/92;
*KKSF,SF: several from '98
*KWJZ,Seattle: 1/97, 11/98, 2/03.
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