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Since the end of its simulcast on 94.1 in 2019, KFNC-HD2 has shown in Nielsen monthly ratings five times with a 0.1 share, most recently in Nov. 2021.
“SportsMap 94.1” only lasted around 18 months, from the latter part of 2017 to early 2019. It was the direct continuation of the old “1560 The Game” after the AM was leased out to Viet Radio. I recall it was fed by an HD subchannel of KODA. The programming was mostly separate from 97.5.

When the sportstalk format came to an end on 94.1 some of its programming was merged into the 97.5 lineup.

Obviously SportsMap 94.1 was never fed by 97.5.
 
It's funny 97.5's engineer used to try to claim that it was legal on these boards. There was a user on here known as TheEngineer975 or something.
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I wonder when KFNC will fire up HD or these translators will become legal. Surely they can’t be illegal forever.

KFNC apparently has an HD transmitter but they’re not broadcasting. It can’t be that hard. But what do I know, I’m just a listener.
 
I wonder when KFNC will fire up HD or these translators will become legal. Surely they can’t be illegal forever.

KFNC apparently has an HD transmitter but they’re not broadcasting. It can’t be that hard. But what do I know, I’m just a listener.
It's almost like Houston has an exemption from FCC regs as regards to translators
 
Since the end of its simulcast on 94.1 in 2019, KFNC-HD2 has shown in Nielsen monthly ratings five times with a 0.1 share, most recently in Nov. 2021. Mind you, Nielsen doesn't inspect whether its subscribers are operating their signals within the full parameters of FCC regulations.
It’s almost like Nielsen’s credibility should be questioned - what else are they misrepresenting?
 
It’s almost like Nielsen’s credibility should be questioned - what else are they misrepresenting?
Remember KTWL itself showed up in the Nielsens for several months in 2021, when it was obvious the listening must have been to the 105.3 translator (and the Station Information submitted for KTWL was the translator's information). After some other subscribers brought this to Nielsen's attention, KTWL no longer showed up.
 
It’s almost like Nielsen’s credibility should be questioned - what else are they misrepresenting?
Nielsen isn't the problem, Stan. In my opinion, it is the lack of a local enforcement office being the issue here. What happened to Steve Lee? With his departure from the area, the "wild west" of translators was allowed to commence. Who here is contacting the affected stations to begin the complaint process? Are they not responding to you, the listener? If so, why would that be?

I'm genuinely inquiring. The amount of "outlaw" operations down there is staggering, when compared to Dallas, San Antonio, Austin, or the other larger cities in the State. We all know it happens elsewhere, sometimes even "forgetting to power down mid way through the 4th quarter" during the fall, but not to the degree as it apparently goes on down there. I know that I'd want to assist any member of my listening audience in keeping their place to hear me interference free. It's one of many privileges that a licensee purchases in obtaining said license, and should expect to receive.
 
It’s almost like Nielsen’s credibility should be questioned - what else are they misrepresenting?
This has nothing to do with Nielsen's credibility. Licensed facilities and accepted partnered streams are issued an encoder. If the encoder is not properly used, then that is the responsibility of station operators.

For example, same market commercial translators legally must be carrying the content of a licensed facility: an AM, an FM or an HD channel of a licensed FM. They are not "separate" and Nielsen combines them under the originating facility, not the translator's facility. If a translator is "in business on its own" but still registered with Nielsen as carrying that AM, FM or HD channel, it will appear as such in the ratings.

In any event, none of those facilities gets enough measured listening to get any ad agency business, and the users of ratings are primarily agencies and very big direct accounts with an in-house ad department who only buy a few top rated stations, not one that occasionally appear right at the cut-off level.

As Huff already mentioned, other operators in the market figured one such case out, reported it to Nielsen and the situation was rectified.
 
You're conflating the ability to have an alternate method of distributing audio to the the transmitter, with legally operating. The only time a translator is permitted to originate programming is if its parent signal is an AM daytimer so that the translator can broadcast 24/7. If KFNC is doing that to feed 92.5 then it is not legally operating. All translators must have a parent full-powered signal broadcasting originating their programming.

It is well known that there are many signals in Houston not properly following this, why the FCC has not taken action I cannot explain other than I know a few of the bigger broadcasters do not want their local people "ratting out" others to the FCC.
The only way KFNC could ever be the originating station for the 92.5 translator is if they went non-commercial. 92.5's transmitter site lies completely outside KFNC's primary contour and extends KFNC's coverage, which isn't permissible for commercial stations.

I'm not sure where they got the idea that they had to have an HD2 feeding the translator, unless they simply wanted a way to measure listenership for the translator and told Nielsen KFNC has an HD2, when in reality, it never has.

You hit the nail on the head about FCC enforcement of the multiple translator issues in Houston. They're just waiting for a complaint to be filed, and there is zero interest in doing so in the legal departments of any of the large broadcasters.
 
I wonder when KFNC will fire up HD or these translators will become legal. Surely they can’t be illegal forever.

KFNC apparently has an HD transmitter but they’re not broadcasting. It can’t be that hard. But what do I know, I’m just a listener.
Firing up HD wouldn't make their simulcast on 92.5 legal. KFNC can't legally be the originating station for the 92.5 translator because they're simply too far apart.
 
Nielsen isn't the problem, Stan. In my opinion, it is the lack of a local enforcement office being the issue here. What happened to Steve Lee? With his departure from the area, the "wild west" of translators was allowed to commence. Who here is contacting the affected stations to begin the complaint process? Are they not responding to you, the listener? If so, why would that be?

I'm genuinely inquiring. The amount of "outlaw" operations down there is staggering, when compared to Dallas, San Antonio, Austin, or the other larger cities in the State. We all know it happens elsewhere, sometimes even "forgetting to power down mid way through the 4th quarter" during the fall, but not to the degree as it apparently goes on down there. I know that I'd want to assist any member of my listening audience in keeping their place to hear me interference free. It's one of many privileges that a licensee purchases in obtaining said license, and should expect to receive.
The FCC field offices know exactly what is going on with the Houston translators. I personally spoke with one of them about the multiple issues when they called to see how the stations in my care were impacted during Hurricane Harvey. We discussed the storm damage, had a brief chat about some shenanigans at the NAB convention many years ago, then discussed the translator issue.

They aren't clueless. They know everything going on here. They are simply waiting for someone, anyone, to file a complaint. That's all it takes for the gloves to come off and meaningful enforcement to begin. It has never happened, so there has been zero enforcement action here.

I have no clue why, but they simply aren't permitted to undertake enforcement action without some member of the public - literally anyone - filing a complaint first.
 
The FCC field offices know exactly what is going on with the Houston translators. I personally spoke with one of them about the multiple issues when they called to see how the stations in my care were impacted during Hurricane Harvey. We discussed the storm damage, had a brief chat about some shenanigans at the NAB convention many years ago, then discussed the translator issue.

They aren't clueless. They know everything going on here. They are simply waiting for someone, anyone, to file a complaint. That's all it takes for the gloves to come off and meaningful enforcement to begin. It has never happened, so there has been zero enforcement action here.

I have no clue why, but they simply aren't permitted to undertake enforcement action without some member of the public - literally anyone - filing a complaint first.
Weird, I have filed several complaints... have several emails with the following in my inbox. No other response, other than this.

Your complaint provides valuable information and is shared among FCC bureaus and offices to spot trends and practices that warrant investigation and enforcement action. If the FCC needs more information about your complaint, we will contact you directly.
Thank you for your help in furthering the FCC’s mission on behalf of consumers.
 
I'm not sure where they got the idea that they had to have an HD2 feeding the translator, unless they simply wanted a way to measure listenership for the translator and told Nielsen KFNC has an HD2, when in reality, it never has.
Remember that the 92.5 translator is not always a simulcast of 97.5. For instance in 2022 92.5 had a full season of Sugar Land Space Cowboys games, separate from 97.5. There are also instances on the weekends where 97.5 will have a college game while 92.5 runs the national SportsMap network. In addition, commercials are often different on the two signals, with 92.5 running spots for businesses targeting the western parts of the market.

97.5 and 92.5 appear to be separately encoded so Gow knows what parts of the market are listening to each.

But yes, there is no HD on 97.5 and never has been under Gow ownership. Thus there is no originating station for 92.5.
 
The FCC field offices know exactly what is going on with the Houston translators. I personally spoke with one of them about the multiple issues when they called to see how the stations in my care were impacted during Hurricane Harvey. We discussed the storm damage, had a brief chat about some shenanigans at the NAB convention many years ago, then discussed the translator issue
They aren't clueless. They know everything going on here. They are simply waiting for someone, anyone, to file a complaint. That's all it takes for the gloves to come off and meaningful enforcement to begin. It has never happened, so there has been zero enforcement action here.

I have no clue why, but they simply aren't permitted to undertake enforcement action without some member of the public - literally anyone - filing a complaint first.

The FCC field offices know exactly what is going on with the Houston translators. I personally spoke with one of them about the multiple issues when they called to see how the stations in my care were impacted during Hurricane Harvey. We discussed the storm damage, had a brief chat about some shenanigans at the NAB convention many years ago, then discussed the translator issue.

They aren't clueless. They know everything going on here. They are simply waiting for someone, anyone, to file a complaint. That's all it takes for the gloves to come off and meaningful enforcement to begin. It has never happened, so there has been zero enforcement action here.
This I exactly what I suspected, 2speakers. Instead of going through the proper procedures required to have action taken, those that actually know how to move forward with an affected broadcaster, choose to not do so and miraculously believe that airing out the grievance online is somehow going to draw attention to the perpetrator, thus getting something done about it. You and I, and I would assume a vast majority here, know that already.
I have no clue why, but they simply aren't permitted to undertake enforcement action without some member of the public - literally anyone - filing a complaint first.
Apparently, licensed broadcasters would nit pick each other's facilities to the point of ad nauseum. At least, that's the only rationale that I can fathom. You'd think we could file our own complaint of another licensee's non-compliance, instead of relying on a member of the listening audience (who, in general, wouldn't even likely begin to know how to take the first step) to do it. I don't know, sir. Someone in enforcement, or with more knowledge of why a listener must initiate the filing a complaint, would have to answer exactly why we aren't allowed to just police ourselves.

Then again, perhaps those listeners who might have the drive and motivation to actually do something about it, are simply put off by real world instances where stations remain sporadic or non-operational for years, yet still remained licensed and just taking up dead space.

Thank you, 2speakers, for an excellent response to the inquiry. We just don't see this type of blatant disregard for the rules going on in ETX, and I was curious as to why these infractions are allowed to transpire down there, seemingly unabated.
 
Weird, I have filed several complaints... have several emails with the following in my inbox. No other response, other than this.

Your complaint provides valuable information and is shared among FCC bureaus and offices to spot trends and practices that warrant investigation and enforcement action. If the FCC needs more information about your complaint, we will contact you directly.
Thank you for your help in furthering the FCC’s mission on behalf of consumers.
You're filing complaints directly with the FCC? Please, contact the licensee or company who holds the license directly. If a licensee's protected contour is being encroached upon, and you reside within the coverage area, he or she or they are the first place to go to voice your complaint. Big money is being paid to reach your ears, tb, and it's not taken too kindly when another facility is stepping on some rather expensive toes.
 
Remember that the 92.5 translator is not always a simulcast of 97.5. For instance in 2022 92.5 had a full season of Sugar Land Space Cowboys games, separate from 97.5. There are also instances on the weekends where 97.5 will have a college game while 92.5 runs the national SportsMap network. In addition, commercials are often different on the two signals, with 92.5 running spots for businesses targeting the western parts of the market.

97.5 and 92.5 appear to be separately encoded so Gow knows what parts of the market are listening to each.

But yes, there is no HD on 97.5 and never has been under Gow ownership. Thus there is no originating station for 92.5.
Remember this too, David Gow is not the licensee for K223CW. The license is held by Sara Franco, so any discrepancies or penalties ultimately fall in her lap. It is up to her to obtain a primary station to feed her own translator. If she's extending coverage for KFNC, that's her issue. David Gow is simply the benefactor. If he cared about making her translator legal, KGOW would be feeding K223CW, instead of being leased out.
 
Has anyone checked out 92.5 recently? I’m hearing a new Spanish language station interfering with ESPN. I don’t know if it’s the other translator that’s southwest of Houston but it was fairly strong by The Woodlands. I did not hear any branding in between songs. I didn’t get any RDS but it might be too weak
 
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