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K-Surf 1260 growing playlist

oldies76 said:
I disagree.

I was in Southern California last September driving around and listening to KRTH for random 15-30 minute segments over a 3-5 day period (not consecutively) and I heard several songs repeat during the times I tuned in. And yes, "Hotel California", "Go Your Own Way" and "Girls Just Wanna Have Fun", to name a few. I tuned out and changed stations.

I think your assessment may have applied when stations were playing songs just twice a day, but five times a day, you are likely to hear that song more than once in 14-21 days, no matter when you tune in.
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Right. But how many times a day did you punch into KRTH? If it was more than twice, it was likely more than the typical KRTH listener. Again, remember, they're sharing him or her listening time with five or six other radio stations, and they've got him or her for 15 minutes tops. And as David91326 illustrates, if they're your favorite songs, hearing them every day is fine. As we've said before, what's worse is not hearing them enough---that's where a listener begins to think that your station isn't really in tune with what they want to hear.
 
CTListener said:
The introduction of all that '80s/'70s music gives rise to bizarre sets like this:

6/18/19 1:35PM Chuck Berry No Particular Place To Go
6/18/19 1:30PM Kc_&_The_Sunshine_Band That's The Way (I Like It)
6/18/19 1:26PM Beatles A Day In The Life
6/18/19 1:21PM Michael Jackson Beat It
6/18/19 1:18PM Lovin' Spoonful Daydream

Those three in the middle, especially! Better call Saul!
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No, only Michael Jackson should beat it.
 
CTListener said:
Solid group of '80s hits, with only Kool & the Gang's "Cherish" falling into my personal "oh wow" category -- not because it wasn't a big hit (it was) but because it pretty much disappeared from radio after its chart run, maybe because it was so unlike the group's party-anthem hits of earlier years. I wonder it this will mean the end of the '50s and most of the '60s on K-Surf within the next year or so.
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I hear "Cherish" a lot.
 
TheBigA said:
Across the country, over in NYC, the equivalent station was WNEW. Gene Claven in mornings. William B Williams in the afternoon. For a few years, Steve Allen did middays with a piano in the studio where he could accompany himself at any given point. The station was sold in the early 90s but the format moved to WQXR's AM station and continued for a few more years. Yes 1930s and 40s music was getting a lot of airplay in the 80s, but only the older listeners were aware. Just like it is today for pop music of the 70s. Heck right now, Sid Mark is still doing his Sundays With Sinatra show on WPHT in Philadelphia, and I saw where Sid was just nominated for the Radio Hall of Fame.
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Yes WQXR 1560 became WQEW to pick up the 'EW'. Sid Mark?!!! OK who is older, Sid or Art Laboe, or Saul? Haha
 
michael hagerty said:
Right. But how many times a day did you punch into KRTH? If it was more than twice, it was likely more than the typical KRTH listener.
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Usually 1-2, and I may have listened more towards 30-40 minutes, than just 15.

Also, K-Surf posted a response to someone's negative FB post a while ago, saying:

"Thanks for your comments. They have been passed along to our programming department and you'll soon hear we'll be focusing again on music from the 50s, 60s and 70s."

They are taking the neg feedback seriously.
 
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oldies76 said:
Usually 1-2, and I may have listened more towards 30-40 minutes, than just 15.

Also, K-Surf posted a response to someone's negative FB post a while ago, saying:

"Thanks for your comments. They have been passed along to our programming department and you'll soon hear we'll be focusing again on music from the 50s, 60s and 70s."

They are taking the neg feedback seriously.
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Considering people complain more than they praise, it’s not an approach (generally speaking) advisable for such a business....but if you have Montgomery Burns money to fritter away....sure, why not.
 
oldies76 said:
Oh, it's a great song, don't get me wrong. But I have so many other favorites, that hearing it once every week or two is sufficient. I love the song. There once was a time when stations rotated that 6 minute song 3-5 times a day, and it was getting old. Granted, I didn't actually hear it every single time, but to appear on the "last played" list so frequently, gave the impression of overkill. I do have a song collection, so I prefer "spreading out" my musical tastes over a period of time, instead of hearing the same songs again and again.
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ok that's you, but I'd bet most people wouldn't mind hearing it slighty more often.
 
DavidEduardo said:


As I have now said more times than I can count... a song that was #1 then is not necessarily one that anyone wants to hear now on the radio.

The key to playing oldies is not to think about charts from the past except as a way to remember what songs to consider. But the key is whether listeners want to hear the song on the radio today. You can not tell me which ones any more than I can. Only a good sample of listeners or potential listeners can do that.

Oh, and a reminder: do you know why stations, prior to 2008, did specials? It was because most people did not fill in their Arbitron diary during the weekend. So they tended to forget that they had listened. A special, with production and staging and promotion, reminds them over and over and over that they listened to you on the weekend when they get around to filling in the diary on Monday.

Today, there is no diary. The PPM does not need to remember. Old school benchmarks are primarily a memory conditioning tool, not a programming tool. Benchmarks today don't jog memory... they promote future listening incidents.
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When I tune into an oldies channel, regardless of what era, I want to hear all of the songs from that era, good or bad. If it is the 70's, I want to hear "You Light Up My Life", a 10-week chart topper. Don't tell me it wasn't a great record then because a lot of people don't like it now. I don't want to hear the "500 songs from the 70s that the consensus general public believes has stood the test of time and is willing to hear again and again", as if that is somehow "better" than what actually went on.

#1 this week in 1981 was "Stars on 45 Medley" by the Stars on 45. It never gets played now because only the songs that "people" want to hear now get played. The "Stars on 45 Medley" is absolute Throwaway Pop at its most throwawaiest. Doesn't matter, for me it brings back great memories of the Summer of 81 when, for just a brief period of time, my friends and I went back to the AM band to the "Mighty 690" to get our CHR fix. I listened all day to the radio yesterday on various channels and today I probably couldn't name of any of the songs I heard except for this one. I tuned into SiriusXM's 80's on 8 channel when they were just wrapping up their countdown when I heard. I had a blast for three minutes and it made my "musical" day.
 
oldies76 said:
Usually 1-2, and I may have listened more towards 30-40 minutes, than just 15.

Also, K-Surf posted a response to someone's negative FB post a while ago, saying:

"Thanks for your comments. They have been passed along to our programming department and you'll soon hear we'll be focusing again on music from the 50s, 60s and 70s."

They are taking the neg feedback seriously.
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Turns out, Saul does listen after all. From this morning's laradio.com column: "Saul Levine emailed to say that KSUR will go back to original 50s to 70s Oldies."
 
ChannelFlipper said:
I tuned into SiriusXM's 80's on 8 channel when they were just wrapping up their countdown when I heard. I had a blast for three minutes and it made my "musical" day.
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I once heard it at a Dairy Queen and enjoyed it. Then another time at the same Dairy Queen, same channel, but I didn't like it.

I was in the mountains of NC and heard a "Classic hits" station I had never heard, before anyone had ever done an 80s-based format. Sounded good. I heard an HD channel another year called "Rewind". Sounded good. I guess there are some 80s songs I like. But my preference is to avoid the 70s and more recent years unless they can focus on the softer material.

On the oldies board I mention an ideal station that is an HD channel.
 
ChannelFlipper said:
When I tune into an oldies channel, regardless of what era, I want to hear all of the songs from that era, good or bad. If it is the 70's, I want to hear "You Light Up My Life", a 10-week chart topper. Don't tell me it wasn't a great record then because a lot of people don't like it now. I don't want to hear the "500 songs from the 70s that the consensus general public believes has stood the test of time and is willing to hear again and again", as if that is somehow "better" than what actually went on.

#1 this week in 1981 was "Stars on 45 Medley" by the Stars on 45. It never gets played now because only the songs that "people" want to hear now get played. The "Stars on 45 Medley" is absolute Throwaway Pop at its most throwawaiest. Doesn't matter, for me it brings back great memories of the Summer of 81 when, for just a brief period of time, my friends and I went back to the AM band to the "Mighty 690" to get our CHR fix. I listened all day to the radio yesterday on various channels and today I probably couldn't name of any of the songs I heard except for this one. I tuned into SiriusXM's 80's on 8 channel when they were just wrapping up their countdown when I heard. I had a blast for three minutes and it made my "musical" day.
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And the percentage of listeners who are tuning in for a history lesson instead of to be entertained by songs they actually enjoy is.......
 
michael hagerty said:
And the percentage of listeners who are tuning in for a history lesson instead of to be entertained by songs they actually enjoy is.......
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They run a different 80's Top 40 countdown every weekend - at least twice a day on both Saturday and Sunday and once more on Monday, so I am guessing a large part of their target audience enjoys it. Has the added benefit of being cheap to produce.
 
ChannelFlipper said:
When I tune into an oldies channel, regardless of what era, I want to hear all of the songs from that era, good or bad. If it is the 70's, I want to hear "You Light Up My Life", a 10-week chart topper. Don't tell me it wasn't a great record then because a lot of people don't like it now. I don't want to hear the "500 songs from the 70s that the consensus general public believes has stood the test of time and is willing to hear again and again", as if that is somehow "better" than what actually went on.

#1 this week in 1981 was "Stars on 45 Medley" by the Stars on 45. It never gets played now because only the songs that "people" want to hear now get played. The "Stars on 45 Medley" is absolute Throwaway Pop at its most throwawaiest. Doesn't matter, for me it brings back great memories of the Summer of 81 when, for just a brief period of time, my friends and I went back to the AM band to the "Mighty 690" to get our CHR fix. I listened all day to the radio yesterday on various channels and today I probably couldn't name of any of the songs I heard except for this one. I tuned into SiriusXM's 80's on 8 channel when they were just wrapping up their countdown when I heard. I had a blast for three minutes and it made my "musical" day.
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Honestly, that 1977 smash doesn't bother me either. It's just a song, a rather successful one at that. Wouldn't be surprised if KSUR plays it, even if it's once a couple months.

You know, we have similar musical tastes. That "Medley" song along with "The Double Dutch Bus", "Morning Train" and "Shaddap You Face" made my summer of '81 too. Great times in South OC. Oh yeah, and don't even get me started about 690. I guess as a teen, you didn't mind the repetition, but man, was the music great! Can we rewind the clock?
 
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