> I'd argue that hiphop music peaked several years back. The
> past 18 months haven't been great for rap music. It has
> been OK for R&B.
>
> The question is really just labelling. What is hiphop?
> Does Amerie, Justin Timberlake, Black Eyed Peas, Will Smith
> or Beyonce fall in the hiphop category? Is Gwen Stefani
> hiphop? I would call all of the above "pop" music as far as
> pop music goes in the 21st Century. These artists are
> mainstream, they just lean rythmic.
>
All these songs are pop or rythmic, because most hip hop stations (urban) will not touch any of the songs above expect for Beyonce (even they are few and limited play of her expect for "crazy in love" - or anything w/ Jay-Z in it)
These songs are CHR/pop AND CHR/rythmic
> I'm sure some of you will disagree, but where do you draw
> the line in musical genres? Are the Killers alternative?
> Alternative radio plays them, but I'd label them pop. Is
> Oasis alternative or pop music? In the UK, it's pop music,
> here, it's Alternative. Is Ashley Simpson "alternative" on
> the song Lala? LaLa is harder edged and more gritty that
> the Killers, but Alt Rock Radio wouldn't DARE touch an
> Ashley song. Same for Kelly Clarkson. Since You Been Gone
> is guitar pop, it has a very similiar structure and feel to
> many "alternative" bands today. Yet it's labelled as....pop
> music.
>
Killers I would go with pop again, alt radio is not very big and mainstream rock would not tocuh it. Same w/ Oasis
As for Ashley and Kelly it is 100% pop - an Ashley and Kelly song on an alt rock station would be laughed at and turned off !!!!
> If there is a mainstream today, it's just rythmic. In the
> 80's the mainstream was rockish. Was Bon Jovi "rock" music
> or pop? Was Def Leppard rock music, or was it pop music
> (seemed to vary by song).
Bon and Def ummmmm, would go both pop and rock. It is not umcommon to hear them on both. It is just liek the CHR/pop and CHR/rhy ...well this tracks could be called CHR/pop and CHR/rock (if there is such thing, which I think there should be if there isn't)
but look at some artist on pop stations and urban stations. SOme urban hardly touch Eminem (cause he is white), Nelly, JA Rule, Sisqo from back in the day, J Low (she tries so hard to be hip hop by adding ppl like Fat Joe - sorry you are pop J Low), but ppl would call Eminem, Nelly and Ja Rule hip hop
Seems like Chr/pop can on say they take 50 Cent songs (anything he touches) and Lil Jon songs (anything he touches) that get real heavy play on real Urban stations (not a CHR/rhy) and CHR/pop stations,
I'm sure there is other artist but not many are both heavy played on both CHR/pop and Urban