The other day while browsing the iTunes Music Store, I decided to take a peek at the Billboard Hot 100 hits from the last several years. I noticed that in 1995, there were four songs classified as "hip-hop/rap" songs. In 2004, 35 were under this category. It's pretty amazing to me how much hip-hop music has evolved recently and how much airplay it now gets on CHR stations. Is it me, or does it seem like regular pop music seems to be quietly vanishing?
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The emergence of hip-hop music
- Thread starter radioguy555
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> The other day while browsing the iTunes Music Store, I
> decided to take a peek at the Billboard Hot 100 hits from
> the last several years. I noticed that in 1995, there were
> four songs classified as "hip-hop/rap" songs. In 2004, 35
> were under this category. It's pretty amazing to me how much
> hip-hop music has evolved recently and how much airplay it
> now gets on CHR stations. Is it me, or does it seem like
> regular pop music seems to be quietly vanishing?
>
Its already been vanished for the most part. It started to go bye bye after 9-11.
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> decided to take a peek at the Billboard Hot 100 hits from
> the last several years. I noticed that in 1995, there were
> four songs classified as "hip-hop/rap" songs. In 2004, 35
> were under this category. It's pretty amazing to me how much
> hip-hop music has evolved recently and how much airplay it
> now gets on CHR stations. Is it me, or does it seem like
> regular pop music seems to be quietly vanishing?
>
Its already been vanished for the most part. It started to go bye bye after 9-11.
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Jeremy Andrews
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I'd argue that hiphop music peaked several years back. The past 18 months haven't been great for rap music. It has been OK for R&B.
The question is really just labelling. What is hiphop? Does Amerie, Justin Timberlake, Black Eyed Peas, Will Smith or Beyonce fall in the hiphop category? Is Gwen Stefani hiphop? I would call all of the above "pop" music as far as pop music goes in the 21st Century. These artists are mainstream, they just lean rythmic.
I'm sure some of you will disagree, but where do you draw the line in musical genres? Are the Killers alternative? Alternative radio plays them, but I'd label them pop. Is Oasis alternative or pop music? In the UK, it's pop music, here, it's Alternative. Is Ashley Simpson "alternative" on the song Lala? LaLa is harder edged and more gritty that the Killers, but Alt Rock Radio wouldn't DARE touch an Ashley song. Same for Kelly Clarkson. Since You Been Gone is guitar pop, it has a very similiar structure and feel to many "alternative" bands today. Yet it's labelled as....pop music.
If there is a mainstream today, it's just rythmic. In the 80's the mainstream was rockish. Was Bon Jovi "rock" music or pop? Was Def Leppard rock music, or was it pop music (seemed to vary by song).
The question is really just labelling. What is hiphop? Does Amerie, Justin Timberlake, Black Eyed Peas, Will Smith or Beyonce fall in the hiphop category? Is Gwen Stefani hiphop? I would call all of the above "pop" music as far as pop music goes in the 21st Century. These artists are mainstream, they just lean rythmic.
I'm sure some of you will disagree, but where do you draw the line in musical genres? Are the Killers alternative? Alternative radio plays them, but I'd label them pop. Is Oasis alternative or pop music? In the UK, it's pop music, here, it's Alternative. Is Ashley Simpson "alternative" on the song Lala? LaLa is harder edged and more gritty that the Killers, but Alt Rock Radio wouldn't DARE touch an Ashley song. Same for Kelly Clarkson. Since You Been Gone is guitar pop, it has a very similiar structure and feel to many "alternative" bands today. Yet it's labelled as....pop music.
If there is a mainstream today, it's just rythmic. In the 80's the mainstream was rockish. Was Bon Jovi "rock" music or pop? Was Def Leppard rock music, or was it pop music (seemed to vary by song).
> The other day while browsing the iTunes Music Store, I
> decided to take a peek at the Billboard Hot 100 hits from
> the last several years. I noticed that in 1995, there were
> four songs classified as "hip-hop/rap" songs. In 2004, 35
> were under this category. It's pretty amazing to me how much
> hip-hop music has evolved recently and how much airplay it
> now gets on CHR stations. Is it me, or does it seem like
> regular pop music seems to be quietly vanishing?
>
Actually there was just as much Hip Hop and R&B charting on Billboard's Hot 100 ten years ago as there is today. Almost every record that has finished in the Top 40 on the Year End countdowns ever since 1993 was R&B/Hip Hop.
> decided to take a peek at the Billboard Hot 100 hits from
> the last several years. I noticed that in 1995, there were
> four songs classified as "hip-hop/rap" songs. In 2004, 35
> were under this category. It's pretty amazing to me how much
> hip-hop music has evolved recently and how much airplay it
> now gets on CHR stations. Is it me, or does it seem like
> regular pop music seems to be quietly vanishing?
>
Actually there was just as much Hip Hop and R&B charting on Billboard's Hot 100 ten years ago as there is today. Almost every record that has finished in the Top 40 on the Year End countdowns ever since 1993 was R&B/Hip Hop.
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Metro
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> I'd argue that hiphop music peaked several years back.
I agree to an extent. The genre seems to be largely propped up by a number of key acts lately (Ludacris, Eminem, 50 Cent), whereas the field was littered with key players several years back, few of which are really setting the world on fire these days (take a bow Ja Rule). That, and mainstream radio missed the boat somewhat on several acts (Kanye West most notably) that could've fared much better had they embraced them a tad more. Just a down cycle for the genre more than anything else; hip-hop certainly isn't going away anytime soon.
> I'm sure some of you will disagree, but where do you draw
> the line in musical genres?
You don't - or rather, it's difficult at best, and multi-format artists aren't so rare anymore. Straight up mainstream pop music hasn't really died or disappeared; it's simply being defined under a different set of parameters compared to years ago (or at least it should be). Usher, Green Day, Amerie, and Linkin Park are all releasing "mainstream" music to my ears, even though the music released by each varies greatly and could easily be pigeon-holed into another subset of music.
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I agree to an extent. The genre seems to be largely propped up by a number of key acts lately (Ludacris, Eminem, 50 Cent), whereas the field was littered with key players several years back, few of which are really setting the world on fire these days (take a bow Ja Rule). That, and mainstream radio missed the boat somewhat on several acts (Kanye West most notably) that could've fared much better had they embraced them a tad more. Just a down cycle for the genre more than anything else; hip-hop certainly isn't going away anytime soon.
> I'm sure some of you will disagree, but where do you draw
> the line in musical genres?
You don't - or rather, it's difficult at best, and multi-format artists aren't so rare anymore. Straight up mainstream pop music hasn't really died or disappeared; it's simply being defined under a different set of parameters compared to years ago (or at least it should be). Usher, Green Day, Amerie, and Linkin Park are all releasing "mainstream" music to my ears, even though the music released by each varies greatly and could easily be pigeon-holed into another subset of music.
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Marcus McBride
Supermixx/XM
Select Mix</P>
> I'd argue that hiphop music peaked several years back. The
> past 18 months haven't been great for rap music. It has
> been OK for R&B.
>
> The question is really just labelling. What is hiphop?
> Does Amerie, Justin Timberlake, Black Eyed Peas, Will Smith
> or Beyonce fall in the hiphop category? Is Gwen Stefani
> hiphop? I would call all of the above "pop" music as far as
> pop music goes in the 21st Century. These artists are
> mainstream, they just lean rythmic.
>
All these songs are pop or rythmic, because most hip hop stations (urban) will not touch any of the songs above expect for Beyonce (even they are few and limited play of her expect for "crazy in love" - or anything w/ Jay-Z in it)
These songs are CHR/pop AND CHR/rythmic
> I'm sure some of you will disagree, but where do you draw
> the line in musical genres? Are the Killers alternative?
> Alternative radio plays them, but I'd label them pop. Is
> Oasis alternative or pop music? In the UK, it's pop music,
> here, it's Alternative. Is Ashley Simpson "alternative" on
> the song Lala? LaLa is harder edged and more gritty that
> the Killers, but Alt Rock Radio wouldn't DARE touch an
> Ashley song. Same for Kelly Clarkson. Since You Been Gone
> is guitar pop, it has a very similiar structure and feel to
> many "alternative" bands today. Yet it's labelled as....pop
> music.
>
Killers I would go with pop again, alt radio is not very big and mainstream rock would not tocuh it. Same w/ Oasis
As for Ashley and Kelly it is 100% pop - an Ashley and Kelly song on an alt rock station would be laughed at and turned off !!!!
> If there is a mainstream today, it's just rythmic. In the
> 80's the mainstream was rockish. Was Bon Jovi "rock" music
> or pop? Was Def Leppard rock music, or was it pop music
> (seemed to vary by song).
Bon and Def ummmmm, would go both pop and rock. It is not umcommon to hear them on both. It is just liek the CHR/pop and CHR/rhy ...well this tracks could be called CHR/pop and CHR/rock (if there is such thing, which I think there should be if there isn't)
but look at some artist on pop stations and urban stations. SOme urban hardly touch Eminem (cause he is white), Nelly, JA Rule, Sisqo from back in the day, J Low (she tries so hard to be hip hop by adding ppl like Fat Joe - sorry you are pop J Low), but ppl would call Eminem, Nelly and Ja Rule hip hop
Seems like Chr/pop can on say they take 50 Cent songs (anything he touches) and Lil Jon songs (anything he touches) that get real heavy play on real Urban stations (not a CHR/rhy) and CHR/pop stations,
I'm sure there is other artist but not many are both heavy played on both CHR/pop and Urban
> past 18 months haven't been great for rap music. It has
> been OK for R&B.
>
> The question is really just labelling. What is hiphop?
> Does Amerie, Justin Timberlake, Black Eyed Peas, Will Smith
> or Beyonce fall in the hiphop category? Is Gwen Stefani
> hiphop? I would call all of the above "pop" music as far as
> pop music goes in the 21st Century. These artists are
> mainstream, they just lean rythmic.
>
All these songs are pop or rythmic, because most hip hop stations (urban) will not touch any of the songs above expect for Beyonce (even they are few and limited play of her expect for "crazy in love" - or anything w/ Jay-Z in it)
These songs are CHR/pop AND CHR/rythmic
> I'm sure some of you will disagree, but where do you draw
> the line in musical genres? Are the Killers alternative?
> Alternative radio plays them, but I'd label them pop. Is
> Oasis alternative or pop music? In the UK, it's pop music,
> here, it's Alternative. Is Ashley Simpson "alternative" on
> the song Lala? LaLa is harder edged and more gritty that
> the Killers, but Alt Rock Radio wouldn't DARE touch an
> Ashley song. Same for Kelly Clarkson. Since You Been Gone
> is guitar pop, it has a very similiar structure and feel to
> many "alternative" bands today. Yet it's labelled as....pop
> music.
>
Killers I would go with pop again, alt radio is not very big and mainstream rock would not tocuh it. Same w/ Oasis
As for Ashley and Kelly it is 100% pop - an Ashley and Kelly song on an alt rock station would be laughed at and turned off !!!!
> If there is a mainstream today, it's just rythmic. In the
> 80's the mainstream was rockish. Was Bon Jovi "rock" music
> or pop? Was Def Leppard rock music, or was it pop music
> (seemed to vary by song).
Bon and Def ummmmm, would go both pop and rock. It is not umcommon to hear them on both. It is just liek the CHR/pop and CHR/rhy ...well this tracks could be called CHR/pop and CHR/rock (if there is such thing, which I think there should be if there isn't)
but look at some artist on pop stations and urban stations. SOme urban hardly touch Eminem (cause he is white), Nelly, JA Rule, Sisqo from back in the day, J Low (she tries so hard to be hip hop by adding ppl like Fat Joe - sorry you are pop J Low), but ppl would call Eminem, Nelly and Ja Rule hip hop
Seems like Chr/pop can on say they take 50 Cent songs (anything he touches) and Lil Jon songs (anything he touches) that get real heavy play on real Urban stations (not a CHR/rhy) and CHR/pop stations,
I'm sure there is other artist but not many are both heavy played on both CHR/pop and Urban
D
DaytonRadio
Guest
> The other day while browsing the iTunes Music Store, I
> decided to take a peek at the Billboard Hot 100 hits from
> the last several years. I noticed that in 1995, there were
> four songs classified as "hip-hop/rap" songs. In 2004, 35
> were under this category. It's pretty amazing to me how much
> hip-hop music has evolved recently and how much airplay it
> now gets on CHR stations. Is it me, or does it seem like
> regular pop music seems to be quietly vanishing?
I think "true" pop music will make a comeback in the not too distant future. I think the Hip-Hop phase is exactly that, a phase. It has also gotten to the point, IMO, that much of the current Hip-Hop music that is being released on CHR radio sounds exactly the same. I think before too long people will become tired of all the Hip-Hop and "true" pop music will start to make a return. This would mean another wave of boy bands and Kelly Clarksons emerging. You may or may not consider this to be a good thing. ;-)
> decided to take a peek at the Billboard Hot 100 hits from
> the last several years. I noticed that in 1995, there were
> four songs classified as "hip-hop/rap" songs. In 2004, 35
> were under this category. It's pretty amazing to me how much
> hip-hop music has evolved recently and how much airplay it
> now gets on CHR stations. Is it me, or does it seem like
> regular pop music seems to be quietly vanishing?
I think "true" pop music will make a comeback in the not too distant future. I think the Hip-Hop phase is exactly that, a phase. It has also gotten to the point, IMO, that much of the current Hip-Hop music that is being released on CHR radio sounds exactly the same. I think before too long people will become tired of all the Hip-Hop and "true" pop music will start to make a return. This would mean another wave of boy bands and Kelly Clarksons emerging. You may or may not consider this to be a good thing. ;-)
> I think "true" pop music will make a comeback in the not too
> distant future. I think the Hip-Hop phase is exactly that,
> a phase. It has also gotten to the point, IMO, that much of
> the current Hip-Hop music that is being released on CHR
> radio sounds exactly the same. I think before too long
> people will become tired of all the Hip-Hop and "true" pop
> music will start to make a return. This would mean another
> wave of boy bands and Kelly Clarksons emerging. You may or
> may not consider this to be a good thing. ;-)
>
I think it would be a good thing, if for no other reason than the fact that we can still play any of that music that comes out. If they're hits, they're hits. You won't see Urban and XOver stations jumpin' on future versions of Kelly Clarkson. We can, though.
> distant future. I think the Hip-Hop phase is exactly that,
> a phase. It has also gotten to the point, IMO, that much of
> the current Hip-Hop music that is being released on CHR
> radio sounds exactly the same. I think before too long
> people will become tired of all the Hip-Hop and "true" pop
> music will start to make a return. This would mean another
> wave of boy bands and Kelly Clarksons emerging. You may or
> may not consider this to be a good thing. ;-)
>
I think it would be a good thing, if for no other reason than the fact that we can still play any of that music that comes out. If they're hits, they're hits. You won't see Urban and XOver stations jumpin' on future versions of Kelly Clarkson. We can, though.
Rick Dees
Caught some of the Top 10 on Rick Dee's today in the car. So much for Hiphop. It was Killers, Gwen Stefani and Kelly Clarkson.
Caught some of the Top 10 on Rick Dee's today in the car. So much for Hiphop. It was Killers, Gwen Stefani and Kelly Clarkson.
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BrettV
Guest
Re: Rick Dees (chart spoiler info)
> Caught some of the Top 10 on Rick Dee's today in the car.
> So much for Hiphop. It was Killers, Gwen Stefani and Kelly
> Clarkson.
>
Which version of the show did you catch? CHR or Hot AC.
From rick.com here is this weeks CHR show Top 10:
CHR:
10: Since U Been Gone - Kelly Clarkson
9: Lonely - Akon
8: Don't Mess/Phunk With My Heart - Black Eyed Peas
7: Mr. Brightside - Killers
6: Switch - Will Smith
5: Sugar - Trick Daddy
4: Incomplete - Backstreet Boys
3: Behind These Hazel Eyes - Kelly Clarkson
2: Let Me Go - 3 Doors Down
1: Hollaback Girl - Gwen Stefani
Very poppish and rock sounding top 10 right now...but if you look down the rest of the chart from 11-40 there is still lots of hip hop. Not as much as 6 months ago, but it's there.
> Caught some of the Top 10 on Rick Dee's today in the car.
> So much for Hiphop. It was Killers, Gwen Stefani and Kelly
> Clarkson.
>
Which version of the show did you catch? CHR or Hot AC.
From rick.com here is this weeks CHR show Top 10:
CHR:
10: Since U Been Gone - Kelly Clarkson
9: Lonely - Akon
8: Don't Mess/Phunk With My Heart - Black Eyed Peas
7: Mr. Brightside - Killers
6: Switch - Will Smith
5: Sugar - Trick Daddy
4: Incomplete - Backstreet Boys
3: Behind These Hazel Eyes - Kelly Clarkson
2: Let Me Go - 3 Doors Down
1: Hollaback Girl - Gwen Stefani
Very poppish and rock sounding top 10 right now...but if you look down the rest of the chart from 11-40 there is still lots of hip hop. Not as much as 6 months ago, but it's there.
Re: Rick Dees (chart spoiler info)
That's the chart.
I can't help but notice the similarity between Avril Lavinge and Kelly Clarkson. The two sound VERY alike lately. Kelly doing much better than Ms Lavinge.
>
> From rick.com here is this weeks CHR show Top 10:
>
> CHR:
> 10: Since U Been Gone - Kelly Clarkson
> 9: Lonely - Akon
> 8: Don't Mess/Phunk With My Heart - Black Eyed Peas
> 7: Mr. Brightside - Killers
> 6: Switch - Will Smith
> 5: Sugar - Trick Daddy
> 4: Incomplete - Backstreet Boys
> 3: Behind These Hazel Eyes - Kelly Clarkson
> 2: Let Me Go - 3 Doors Down
> 1: Hollaback Girl - Gwen Stefani
>
> Very poppish and rock sounding top 10 right now...but if you
> look down the rest of the chart from 11-40 there is still
> lots of hip hop. Not as much as 6 months ago, but it's
> there.
>
That's the chart.
I can't help but notice the similarity between Avril Lavinge and Kelly Clarkson. The two sound VERY alike lately. Kelly doing much better than Ms Lavinge.
>
> From rick.com here is this weeks CHR show Top 10:
>
> CHR:
> 10: Since U Been Gone - Kelly Clarkson
> 9: Lonely - Akon
> 8: Don't Mess/Phunk With My Heart - Black Eyed Peas
> 7: Mr. Brightside - Killers
> 6: Switch - Will Smith
> 5: Sugar - Trick Daddy
> 4: Incomplete - Backstreet Boys
> 3: Behind These Hazel Eyes - Kelly Clarkson
> 2: Let Me Go - 3 Doors Down
> 1: Hollaback Girl - Gwen Stefani
>
> Very poppish and rock sounding top 10 right now...but if you
> look down the rest of the chart from 11-40 there is still
> lots of hip hop. Not as much as 6 months ago, but it's
> there.
>
Re: Rick Dees (chart spoiler info)
In fact Ms Lavinge has written at least one song on Kelly last album: Breakaway.
I've noticed the similarity too, and I've gained respect for both of them as a result of collaboration.
Wes
> That's the chart.
>
> I can't help but notice the similarity between Avril Lavinge
> and Kelly Clarkson. The two sound VERY alike lately.
> Kelly doing much better than Ms Lavinge.
> >
> > From rick.com here is this weeks CHR show Top 10:
> >
> > CHR:
> > 10: Since U Been Gone - Kelly Clarkson
> > 9: Lonely - Akon
> > 8: Don't Mess/Phunk With My Heart - Black Eyed Peas
> > 7: Mr. Brightside - Killers
> > 6: Switch - Will Smith
> > 5: Sugar - Trick Daddy
> > 4: Incomplete - Backstreet Boys
> > 3: Behind These Hazel Eyes - Kelly Clarkson
> > 2: Let Me Go - 3 Doors Down
> > 1: Hollaback Girl - Gwen Stefani
> >
> > Very poppish and rock sounding top 10 right now...but if
> you
> > look down the rest of the chart from 11-40 there is still
> > lots of hip hop. Not as much as 6 months ago, but it's
> > there.
> >
>
In fact Ms Lavinge has written at least one song on Kelly last album: Breakaway.
I've noticed the similarity too, and I've gained respect for both of them as a result of collaboration.
Wes
> That's the chart.
>
> I can't help but notice the similarity between Avril Lavinge
> and Kelly Clarkson. The two sound VERY alike lately.
> Kelly doing much better than Ms Lavinge.
> >
> > From rick.com here is this weeks CHR show Top 10:
> >
> > CHR:
> > 10: Since U Been Gone - Kelly Clarkson
> > 9: Lonely - Akon
> > 8: Don't Mess/Phunk With My Heart - Black Eyed Peas
> > 7: Mr. Brightside - Killers
> > 6: Switch - Will Smith
> > 5: Sugar - Trick Daddy
> > 4: Incomplete - Backstreet Boys
> > 3: Behind These Hazel Eyes - Kelly Clarkson
> > 2: Let Me Go - 3 Doors Down
> > 1: Hollaback Girl - Gwen Stefani
> >
> > Very poppish and rock sounding top 10 right now...but if
> you
> > look down the rest of the chart from 11-40 there is still
> > lots of hip hop. Not as much as 6 months ago, but it's
> > there.
> >
>
Re: Rick Dees (chart spoiler info)
The ONLY song on that chart played on Urban stations is "Lonely" - even "Sugar" is a pop song. It's not getting many spins on Urban.
On another note, how big is "Hollaback?" It's the most played CHR record EVER and it's starting to get played on Urban stations!
> From rick.com here is this weeks CHR show Top 10:
>
> CHR:
> 10: Since U Been Gone - Kelly Clarkson
> 9: Lonely - Akon
> 8: Don't Mess/Phunk With My Heart - Black Eyed Peas
> 7: Mr. Brightside - Killers
> 6: Switch - Will Smith
> 5: Sugar - Trick Daddy
> 4: Incomplete - Backstreet Boys
> 3: Behind These Hazel Eyes - Kelly Clarkson
> 2: Let Me Go - 3 Doors Down
> 1: Hollaback Girl - Gwen Stefani
>
> Very poppish and rock sounding top 10 right now...but if you
> look down the rest of the chart from 11-40 there is still
> lots of hip hop. Not as much as 6 months ago, but it's
> there.
>
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Russ
APD/Middays
97-3 KISS FM (WAEV)
Savannah, GA</P>
The ONLY song on that chart played on Urban stations is "Lonely" - even "Sugar" is a pop song. It's not getting many spins on Urban.
On another note, how big is "Hollaback?" It's the most played CHR record EVER and it's starting to get played on Urban stations!
> From rick.com here is this weeks CHR show Top 10:
>
> CHR:
> 10: Since U Been Gone - Kelly Clarkson
> 9: Lonely - Akon
> 8: Don't Mess/Phunk With My Heart - Black Eyed Peas
> 7: Mr. Brightside - Killers
> 6: Switch - Will Smith
> 5: Sugar - Trick Daddy
> 4: Incomplete - Backstreet Boys
> 3: Behind These Hazel Eyes - Kelly Clarkson
> 2: Let Me Go - 3 Doors Down
> 1: Hollaback Girl - Gwen Stefani
>
> Very poppish and rock sounding top 10 right now...but if you
> look down the rest of the chart from 11-40 there is still
> lots of hip hop. Not as much as 6 months ago, but it's
> there.
>
<P ID="signature">______________
Russ
APD/Middays
97-3 KISS FM (WAEV)
Savannah, GA</P>
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