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Rock Station Dominates

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101.5 WPDH (which has two other simulcasts) is the dominating station in the Hudson Valley of New York. They were number one for the 2nd book in a row. They play mainly classic rock, but mixes in some newer rock. Plus their morning show (which is very successful) may have something to do with it. Karlson and Mackenzie. <P ID="signature">______________
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> 101.5 WPDH (which has two other simulcasts) is the
> dominating station in the Hudson Valley of New York. They
> were number one for the 2nd book in a row. They play mainly
> classic rock, but mixes in some newer rock. Plus their
> morning show (which is very successful) may have something
> to do with it. Karlson and Mackenzie.
>

I read on the Boston board that they (K&M) have left the station, possibly heading for either WZLX or as a replacement for Stern on WBCN.
 
> > 101.5 WPDH (which has two other simulcasts) is the
> > dominating station in the Hudson Valley of New York. They
> > were number one for the 2nd book in a row. They play
> mainly
> > classic rock, but mixes in some newer rock. Plus their
> > morning show (which is very successful) may have something
>
> > to do with it. Karlson and Mackenzie.
> >
>
> I read on the Boston board that they (K&M) have left the
> station, possibly heading for either WZLX or as a
> replacement for Stern on WBCN.
>

Yeah, I found that out before the post. This might hurt WPDH, but they have been rock for a long time, so they will probably keep a lot of listeners, despite the morning show lost. If people listened for JUST the morning show, then say good bye to those listeners.<P ID="signature">______________
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> 101.5 WPDH (which has two other simulcasts) is the
> dominating station in the Hudson Valley of New York. They
> were number one for the 2nd book in a row. They play mainly
> classic rock, but mixes in some newer rock. Plus their
> morning show (which is very successful) may have something
> to do with it. Karlson and Mackenzie.
>
i used to listen to them online back when they streamed, it was all classic rock then<P ID="signature">______________
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In Chicago, rock is dead.

> > > 101.5 WPDH (which has two other simulcasts) is the
> > > dominating station in the Hudson Valley of New York.
> They
> > > were number one for the 2nd book in a row. They play
> > mainly
> > > classic rock, but mixes in some newer rock. Plus their
> > > morning show (which is very successful) may have
> something
> >
> > > to do with it. Karlson and Mackenzie.
> > >
> >
> > I read on the Boston board that they (K&M) have left the
> > station, possibly heading for either WZLX or as a
> > replacement for Stern on WBCN.
> >
>
> Yeah, I found that out before the post. This might hurt
> WPDH, but they have been rock for a long time, so they will
> probably keep a lot of listeners, despite the morning show
> lost. If people listened for JUST the morning show, then say
> good bye to those listeners.
>
 
Rock deep-six

> In Chicago, rock is dead.

In many markets, rock/alternative formats have one foot in the grave and the shovel's busy. And, most of today's classic rock-type stations are more like classic hits (and it could be argued the classic rock format should have been classic hits all along).
 
Re: Rock deep-six

>
> In many markets, rock/alternative formats have one foot in
> the grave and the shovel's busy. And, most of today's
> classic rock-type stations are more like classic hits (and
> it could be argued the classic rock format should have been
> classic hits all along).
>

Not sure what you're saying here. Are you saying that Classic Rock should be less hit-oriented? It's an oldies format for crying out loud...you don't get much of an audience playing 30 year old obscure album cuts.
 
classic hits

I'm saying many Classic Rock stations sound like dinosaurs- old & hard.

Stations like WROR in Boston are Classic Hits, they sound fresh & fun, not like most male-oriented, biker-babe, growling bad-ass liner Classic Rock stations do today (and why so many are dying).

What I am saying is perhaps the Classic Hits angle is what C.R. should have been all along. You could also come to the conclusion that Classic Hits stations are a lot more on-target that the 70s stations were in the nineties. There's not one 70s station still in business but there have been a number of very successful Classic Hits stations (which basically came from the Arrow concept).

>
> Not sure what you're saying here. Are you saying that
> Classic Rock should be less hit-oriented? It's an oldies
> format for crying out loud...you don't get much of an
> audience playing 30 year old obscure album cuts.
>
 
Re: classic hits

> I'm saying many Classic Rock stations sound like dinosaurs-
> old & hard.
>
> Stations like WROR in Boston are Classic Hits, they sound
> fresh & fun, not like most male-oriented, biker-babe,
> growling bad-ass liner Classic Rock stations do today (and
> why so many are dying).
>
> What I am saying is perhaps the Classic Hits angle is what
> C.R. should have been all along. You could also come to the
> conclusion that Classic Hits stations are a lot more
> on-target that the 70s stations were in the nineties.
> There's not one 70s station still in business but there have
> been a number of very successful Classic Hits stations
> (which basically came from the Arrow concept).

That's very interesting, what you are saying. But, are you saying classic hits stations will last longer than classic rock?

> > Not sure what you're saying here. Are you saying that
> > Classic Rock should be less hit-oriented? It's an oldies
> > format for crying out loud...you don't get much of an
> > audience playing 30 year old obscure album cuts.
> >
>
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Kevin

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classic hits

Potentially, sure. Classic Hits really is THE format between what Classic Rock is today and what Oldies has been. Or, you could also look at Classic Hits stations like WROR as really the next generation Oldies station (much more than Jack).

Where most Classic Hits stations get it wrong is they try to be a sort of Classic Rock "lite". It isn't just the music- it's the music PLUS the entire packaging, marketing, etc. Classic Rock somewhat limited itself by appealing almost entirely to men (though it's not like they had no females listening). Classic HITS stations, properly done, appeal to male and female audiences. Not to over-toot their horn, but go look at WROR's playlist- it's almost like it's about 75% classic rock, 25% oldies (60s/70s brand of Oldies). And the music on that station is GREAT (and a teriffic morning show doesn't hurt, but we could say that about hundreds of stations regardless of format).

Bottom line: many classic rock stations sound old, tired and about out of testosterone. It's easier for Classic Hits stations to sound fun & fresh.
>
> That's very interesting, what you are saying. But, are you
> saying classic hits stations will last longer than classic
> rock?
>
> > > Not sure what you're saying here. Are you saying that
> > > Classic Rock should be less hit-oriented? It's an
> oldies format for crying out loud...you don't get much of an
> > > audience playing 30 year old obscure album cuts.
> > >
> >
>
 
Re: classic hits

> Potentially, sure. Classic Hits really is THE format
> between what Classic Rock is today and what Oldies has been.
> Or, you could also look at Classic Hits stations like WROR
> as really the next generation Oldies station (much more than
> Jack).
>
> Where most Classic Hits stations get it wrong is they try to
> be a sort of Classic Rock "lite". It isn't just the music-
> it's the music PLUS the entire packaging, marketing, etc.
> Classic Rock somewhat limited itself by appealing almost
> entirely to men (though it's not like they had no females
> listening). Classic HITS stations, properly done, appeal to
> male and female audiences. Not to over-toot their horn, but
> go look at WROR's playlist- it's almost like it's about 75%
> classic rock, 25% oldies (60s/70s brand of Oldies). And the
> music on that station is GREAT (and a teriffic morning show
> doesn't hurt, but we could say that about hundreds of
> stations regardless of format).
>
> Bottom line: many classic rock stations sound old, tired
> and about out of testosterone. It's easier for Classic Hits
> stations to sound fun & fresh.

Excellent points! Great post OldiesCat!

> > That's very interesting, what you are saying. But, are you
>
> > saying classic hits stations will last longer than classic
>
> > rock?
> >
> > > > Not sure what you're saying here. Are you saying that
>
> > > > Classic Rock should be less hit-oriented? It's an
> > oldies format for crying out loud...you don't get much of
> an
> > > > audience playing 30 year old obscure album cuts.
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
<P ID="signature">______________
Kevin

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Re: classic hits

Yep...Maybe. But the generation that grew up listening to what we now know as "Classic Rock" listened to stations that played some obscure album cuts as part of their regular format. I think most "classic rock" listeners would appreciate an occasional "obscure" song thrown into the mix. Classic Rock has programmed itself into a corner, and if it continues to play the same 300 songs, it will go the way of the "Big Bands" format. Granted, you can throw in a "Lost Classic" each day at 4:20 PM for the drive home, but it would be nice to hear an occasional odd album track at any given time in the day. There's a lot of forgotten music just waiting to be played, and Classic Rock is just the format to do it.
 
Re: classic hits

> Yep...Maybe. But the generation that grew up listening to
> what we now know as "Classic Rock" listened to stations that
> played some obscure album cuts as part of their regular
> format. I think most "classic rock" listeners would
> appreciate an occasional "obscure" song thrown into the mix.
> Classic Rock has programmed itself into a corner, and if it
> continues to play the same 300 songs, it will go the way of
> the "Big Bands" format. Granted, you can throw in a "Lost
> Classic" each day at 4:20 PM for the drive home, but it
> would be nice to hear an occasional odd album track at any
> given time in the day. There's a lot of forgotten music
> just waiting to be played, and Classic Rock is just the
> format to do it.
>


Imaging may have a hand in it, but Classic Rock's main downfall IMO is the programming of the same 300 songs over and over again.... Look at most successful classic rock stations, most of it is from a wider selection playlist which sometimes has songs that are more classic hits than classic rock.

I agree on the obscure song, with the note that most stations won't play hits for the artists except for the same 2 or 3 songs total even though most artists had 3 or 4 off one albumn!

I'm of the wisdon that if a song fits the feel of the imaging and the rest of the playlist, it should be played even if it's classic hits,classic rock, or even new rock...

RFLA
 
Re: classic hits

> > Yep...Maybe. But the generation that grew up listening to
>
> > what we now know as "Classic Rock" listened to stations
> that
> > played some obscure album cuts as part of their regular
> > format. I think most "classic rock" listeners would
> > appreciate an occasional "obscure" song thrown into the
> mix.
> > Classic Rock has programmed itself into a corner, and if
> it
> > continues to play the same 300 songs, it will go the way
> of
> > the "Big Bands" format. Granted, you can throw in a "Lost
>
> > Classic" each day at 4:20 PM for the drive home, but it
> > would be nice to hear an occasional odd album track at any
>
> > given time in the day. There's a lot of forgotten music
> > just waiting to be played, and Classic Rock is just the
> > format to do it.
> >
>
>
> Imaging may have a hand in it, but Classic Rock's main
> downfall IMO is the programming of the same 300 songs over
> and over again.... Look at most successful classic rock
> stations, most of it is from a wider selection playlist
> which sometimes has songs that are more classic hits than
> classic rock.
>
> I agree on the obscure song, with the note that most
> stations won't play hits for the artists except for the same
> 2 or 3 songs total even though most artists had 3 or 4 off
> one albumn!
>
> I'm of the wisdon that if a song fits the feel of the
> imaging and the rest of the playlist, it should be played
> even if it's classic hits,classic rock, or even new rock...
>
>
> RFLA
>

Stations like Q1043 in NYC add more "classic hits" type of music and it adds more variety. I think it is smart to add some more "classic hits".
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Re: classic hits

>
> Stations like Q1043 in NYC add more "classic hits" type of
> music and it adds more variety. I think it is smart to add
> some more "classic hits".
>


A tight playlist Classic Rocker in New Orleans,Louisiana has lost at least 1 share since a competitior has come that plays classic hit type songs, the newer rock (up to 2003) as well as the classic favorites (Plus gaining the other stations morning show helped).... But in 2 markets in SE Louisiana where I am, the Classic Rockers that play some classic hits also, seem to have a loyal following... could this be the way to save rock, by going back to the original formula?
 
Re: classic hits

> >
> > Stations like Q1043 in NYC add more "classic hits" type of
>
> > music and it adds more variety. I think it is smart to add
>
> > some more "classic hits".
> >
>
>
> A tight playlist Classic Rocker in New Orleans,Louisiana has
> lost at least 1 share since a competitior has come that
> plays classic hit type songs, the newer rock (up to 2003) as
> well as the classic favorites (Plus gaining the other
> stations morning show helped).... But in 2 markets in SE
> Louisiana where I am, the Classic Rockers that play some
> classic hits also, seem to have a loyal following... could
> this be the way to save rock, by going back to the original
> formula?
>

It would be a good idea to do that. Originally, the format was classic hits. If stations do that, it will probably help, because they play the same classic rock songs day in and day out, burnt to a crisp.
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classic hits

It is also much more appealing to the masses.

So many Classic Rock stations sound like they're trying to be testosterone machines. To gearheads, that's fine but it gets awfully old. Plus, to those who don't get enough 70s or 80s from a forward-thinking Oldies station, Classic Hits IS their "oldies" station, for males AND females.
>
> It would be a good idea to do that. Originally, the format
> was classic hits. If stations do that, it will probably
> help, because they play the same classic rock songs day in
> and day out, burnt to a crisp.
>
 
Classic Hits and Oldies (Question)

> It is also much more appealing to the masses.

I agree.

>
> So many Classic Rock stations sound like they're trying to
> be testosterone machines. To gearheads, that's fine but it
> gets awfully old.

1037 WNNJ is no different. It gets annoying after a while.

Plus, to those who don't get enough 70s
> or 80s from a forward-thinking Oldies station, Classic Hits
> IS their "oldies" station, for males AND females.

What is the exact different between classic hits and oldies? I get confused between the two formats.

> > It would be a good idea to do that. Originally, the format
>
> > was classic hits. If stations do that, it will probably
> > help, because they play the same classic rock songs day in
>
> > and day out, burnt to a crisp.
> >
>
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Classic Hits and Oldies

> What is the exact different between classic hits and oldies?
> I get confused between the two formats.
>

The difference is probably no more than most oldes stations lean closer to the 60s and classic hits stations lean closer to the 80s. Oldies plays a bit more black music (mostly Motown-ish titles) and classic hits plays more pop/rock.

Plus, the presentation is quite different in most cases.
 
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