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> Is it up and running yet, the Xtreme Rock format?
My understanding is that it is, but there are only about seven HD radio owners in the market who are interested in it ...<P ID="signature">______________
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My understanding is that it is, but there are only about seven HD radio owners in the market who are interested in it ...<P ID="signature">______________
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> > Is it up and running yet, the Xtreme Rock format?
>
> My understanding is that it is, but there are only about
> seven HD radio owners in the market who are interested in it
> ...
>
It's what happens when you only have one home radio under 300 bucks(Boston Acoustics) and one car radio under 300 bucks(JVC HD Receiver). Radiosophy has been having production problems so they can't get their radios out yet, Polk won't be out till summer and that's a 600 buck radio.
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>
> My understanding is that it is, but there are only about
> seven HD radio owners in the market who are interested in it
> ...
>
It's what happens when you only have one home radio under 300 bucks(Boston Acoustics) and one car radio under 300 bucks(JVC HD Receiver). Radiosophy has been having production problems so they can't get their radios out yet, Polk won't be out till summer and that's a 600 buck radio.
Simple, get the lower priced radios out there(I say 199 or below) and the demand follows.<P ID="signature">______________
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> Simple, get the lower priced radios out there(I say 199 or
> below) and the demand follows.
>
The ghost of AM stereo lives!
> below) and the demand follows.
>
The ghost of AM stereo lives!
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archer1043
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> The ghost of AM stereo lives!
>
Yes, HD2 might be like AM stereo. Then again it might be like the advent of FM. It will take a little time to see which.<P ID="signature">______________
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>
Yes, HD2 might be like AM stereo. Then again it might be like the advent of FM. It will take a little time to see which.<P ID="signature">______________
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zumahans1
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> > The ghost of AM stereo lives!
> >
>
> Yes, HD2 might be like AM stereo. Then again it might be
> like the advent of FM. It will take a little time to see
> which.
>
And the "advent of FM" comparision would be a good thing?
FM was invented in, what, 1935? And in 1965 - thirty years later - major broadcasting companies were still giving away FM licenses because no one was listening?
Is HD radio 30 years away from commercial viability?
Memo to stockbroker: sell.
> >
>
> Yes, HD2 might be like AM stereo. Then again it might be
> like the advent of FM. It will take a little time to see
> which.
>
And the "advent of FM" comparision would be a good thing?
FM was invented in, what, 1935? And in 1965 - thirty years later - major broadcasting companies were still giving away FM licenses because no one was listening?
Is HD radio 30 years away from commercial viability?
Memo to stockbroker: sell.
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archer1043
Guest
> And the "advent of FM" comparision would be a good thing?
>
> FM was invented in, what, 1935? And in 1965 - thirty years
> later - major broadcasting companies were still giving away
> FM licenses because no one was listening?
>
> Is HD radio 30 years away from commercial viability?
>
> Memo to stockbroker: sell.
Perhaps. Or it might be like the advent of mp3 players. The market is an incredibly fickle and unpredictable thing. I just don't think we should dismiss HD2 out of hand, especially once the prices of HD2 units (and when they're included with AM/FM units) become realistic for the consumer, and radio programmers get off their asses and start actually THINKING about what content to put on it, instead of pawning it off on someone else like a toy.<P ID="signature">______________
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>
> FM was invented in, what, 1935? And in 1965 - thirty years
> later - major broadcasting companies were still giving away
> FM licenses because no one was listening?
>
> Is HD radio 30 years away from commercial viability?
>
> Memo to stockbroker: sell.
Perhaps. Or it might be like the advent of mp3 players. The market is an incredibly fickle and unpredictable thing. I just don't think we should dismiss HD2 out of hand, especially once the prices of HD2 units (and when they're included with AM/FM units) become realistic for the consumer, and radio programmers get off their asses and start actually THINKING about what content to put on it, instead of pawning it off on someone else like a toy.<P ID="signature">______________
Archer
http://spaces.msn.com/robertarcher</P>
> > And the "advent of FM" comparision would be a good thing?
> >
> > FM was invented in, what, 1935? And in 1965 - thirty years
>
> > later - major broadcasting companies were still giving
> away
> > FM licenses because no one was listening?
> >
> > Is HD radio 30 years away from commercial viability?
> >
> > Memo to stockbroker: sell.
>
>
> Perhaps. Or it might be like the advent of mp3 players.
> The market is an incredibly fickle and unpredictable thing.
> I just don't think we should dismiss HD2 out of hand,
> especially once the prices of HD2 units (and when they're
> included with AM/FM units) become realistic for the
> consumer, and radio programmers get off their asses and
> start actually THINKING about what content to put on it,
> instead of pawning it off on someone else like a toy.
>
yeah AM stereo who didnt know that was cloaked in failure?...., Mini Disc remembeer that one? that was to be the next big media thing. The whole premise (if I understand it) to HD radio was to stave off the sat revoloution, meantime the sat revoloution has turned out to be more of an uprising of some Bananna republic rather than a huge revolution, I have Sat and I do like it but Im a raido geek. The average listener isn't that into it, any of it, I dont think. Could HD become the next mp3 technology? possible, but not probable not now while he recievers are still in the 500 buck range, but the car recievers are coming down, but doesnt that defeat the purpouse? I mean the car speakers tend to not be the greatest unless you've been on "pimp my ride" and Xzibit put $20,000 dollars worth of speakers in your trunk along with a fish tank in your glove compartment.
> >
> > FM was invented in, what, 1935? And in 1965 - thirty years
>
> > later - major broadcasting companies were still giving
> away
> > FM licenses because no one was listening?
> >
> > Is HD radio 30 years away from commercial viability?
> >
> > Memo to stockbroker: sell.
>
>
> Perhaps. Or it might be like the advent of mp3 players.
> The market is an incredibly fickle and unpredictable thing.
> I just don't think we should dismiss HD2 out of hand,
> especially once the prices of HD2 units (and when they're
> included with AM/FM units) become realistic for the
> consumer, and radio programmers get off their asses and
> start actually THINKING about what content to put on it,
> instead of pawning it off on someone else like a toy.
>
yeah AM stereo who didnt know that was cloaked in failure?...., Mini Disc remembeer that one? that was to be the next big media thing. The whole premise (if I understand it) to HD radio was to stave off the sat revoloution, meantime the sat revoloution has turned out to be more of an uprising of some Bananna republic rather than a huge revolution, I have Sat and I do like it but Im a raido geek. The average listener isn't that into it, any of it, I dont think. Could HD become the next mp3 technology? possible, but not probable not now while he recievers are still in the 500 buck range, but the car recievers are coming down, but doesnt that defeat the purpouse? I mean the car speakers tend to not be the greatest unless you've been on "pimp my ride" and Xzibit put $20,000 dollars worth of speakers in your trunk along with a fish tank in your glove compartment.
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archer1043
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We won't really know whither HD2 until the prices for all units, not just the car units, come down to average consumer levels. Then we'll see.
And depending on what radio programmers do with it, that is. Right now, it's barely an afterthought to most of them. "Here, let's just cram our leftover music on it."
If the industry is smart, it'll get behind it. If not, then it will go the way of AM stereo.<P ID="signature">______________
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And depending on what radio programmers do with it, that is. Right now, it's barely an afterthought to most of them. "Here, let's just cram our leftover music on it."
If the industry is smart, it'll get behind it. If not, then it will go the way of AM stereo.<P ID="signature">______________
Archer
http://spaces.msn.com/robertarcher</P>
> >
> yeah AM stereo who didnt know that was cloaked in
> failure?....,
AM stereo was killed by the legal workings of Leonard Kahn, the man who killed AM music radio. From a proposed introduction in 1978, he held AM steroe back a half-decade via lawsuits. By the time it was over, AM had no music audience to save and stereo was an absurd proposition.
> Mini Disc remembeer that one?
Yeah, outside the USA, the most successful device since the cassette, with hundreds of millions sold. Even radio stations in much of th eworld used them to broadcast music and commercials economically.
> that was to be
> the next big media thing. The whole premise (if I understand
> it) to HD radio was to stave off the sat revoloution,
No, that is not the idea at all. The idea is to give digital capability to terrestrial radio.
> meantime the sat revoloution has turned out to be more of an
> uprising of some Bananna republic rather than a huge
> revolution, I have Sat and I do like it but Im a raido geek.
Satellite is a separate issue, and not part of the HD discussion. Digital is necessary to compete today. Radio must find a digital solution.
> The average listener isn't that into it, any of it, I dont
> think. Could HD become the next mp3 technology? possible,
> but not probable not now while he recievers are still in the
> 500 buck range, but the car recievers are coming down, but
> doesnt that defeat the purpouse?
The new HD design specs were just released in 11/05, and new, cheaper radios will come over the next several years as more HD2 and basic HD broadcasting starts.
> yeah AM stereo who didnt know that was cloaked in
> failure?....,
AM stereo was killed by the legal workings of Leonard Kahn, the man who killed AM music radio. From a proposed introduction in 1978, he held AM steroe back a half-decade via lawsuits. By the time it was over, AM had no music audience to save and stereo was an absurd proposition.
> Mini Disc remembeer that one?
Yeah, outside the USA, the most successful device since the cassette, with hundreds of millions sold. Even radio stations in much of th eworld used them to broadcast music and commercials economically.
> that was to be
> the next big media thing. The whole premise (if I understand
> it) to HD radio was to stave off the sat revoloution,
No, that is not the idea at all. The idea is to give digital capability to terrestrial radio.
> meantime the sat revoloution has turned out to be more of an
> uprising of some Bananna republic rather than a huge
> revolution, I have Sat and I do like it but Im a raido geek.
Satellite is a separate issue, and not part of the HD discussion. Digital is necessary to compete today. Radio must find a digital solution.
> The average listener isn't that into it, any of it, I dont
> think. Could HD become the next mp3 technology? possible,
> but not probable not now while he recievers are still in the
> 500 buck range, but the car recievers are coming down, but
> doesnt that defeat the purpouse?
The new HD design specs were just released in 11/05, and new, cheaper radios will come over the next several years as more HD2 and basic HD broadcasting starts.
Re: To let David know....
David, I have seem you participate in quite a few HD discussions on many of the boards. Did you know that we have a HD Radio Forum here at Radio-Info? I would love for you to post over there and share your knowledge of things.
Here's the link
www.radio-info.com/mods/posts?Board=hd
> > >
> > yeah AM stereo who didnt know that was cloaked in
> > failure?....,
>
> AM stereo was killed by the legal workings of Leonard Kahn,
> the man who killed AM music radio. From a proposed
> introduction in 1978, he held AM steroe back a half-decade
> via lawsuits. By the time it was over, AM had no music
> audience to save and stereo was an absurd proposition.
>
> > Mini Disc remembeer that one?
>
> Yeah, outside the USA, the most successful device since the
> cassette, with hundreds of millions sold. Even radio
> stations in much of th eworld used them to broadcast music
> and commercials economically.
>
> > that was to be
> > the next big media thing. The whole premise (if I
> understand
> > it) to HD radio was to stave off the sat revoloution,
>
> No, that is not the idea at all. The idea is to give digital
> capability to terrestrial radio.
>
> > meantime the sat revoloution has turned out to be more of
> an
> > uprising of some Bananna republic rather than a huge
> > revolution, I have Sat and I do like it but Im a raido
> geek.
>
> Satellite is a separate issue, and not part of the HD
> discussion. Digital is necessary to compete today. Radio
> must find a digital solution.
>
> > The average listener isn't that into it, any of it, I dont
>
> > think. Could HD become the next mp3 technology? possible,
> > but not probable not now while he recievers are still in
> the
> > 500 buck range, but the car recievers are coming down, but
>
> > doesnt that defeat the purpouse?
>
> The new HD design specs were just released in 11/05, and
> new, cheaper radios will come over the next several years as
> more HD2 and basic HD broadcasting starts.
>
<P ID="signature">______________
Happy 20th Birthday Power 106
JOSH, Moderating the whole Radio-Info radio state of California and Indiana too!
www.myspace.com/radiogeek500</P>
David, I have seem you participate in quite a few HD discussions on many of the boards. Did you know that we have a HD Radio Forum here at Radio-Info? I would love for you to post over there and share your knowledge of things.
Here's the link
www.radio-info.com/mods/posts?Board=hd
> > >
> > yeah AM stereo who didnt know that was cloaked in
> > failure?....,
>
> AM stereo was killed by the legal workings of Leonard Kahn,
> the man who killed AM music radio. From a proposed
> introduction in 1978, he held AM steroe back a half-decade
> via lawsuits. By the time it was over, AM had no music
> audience to save and stereo was an absurd proposition.
>
> > Mini Disc remembeer that one?
>
> Yeah, outside the USA, the most successful device since the
> cassette, with hundreds of millions sold. Even radio
> stations in much of th eworld used them to broadcast music
> and commercials economically.
>
> > that was to be
> > the next big media thing. The whole premise (if I
> understand
> > it) to HD radio was to stave off the sat revoloution,
>
> No, that is not the idea at all. The idea is to give digital
> capability to terrestrial radio.
>
> > meantime the sat revoloution has turned out to be more of
> an
> > uprising of some Bananna republic rather than a huge
> > revolution, I have Sat and I do like it but Im a raido
> geek.
>
> Satellite is a separate issue, and not part of the HD
> discussion. Digital is necessary to compete today. Radio
> must find a digital solution.
>
> > The average listener isn't that into it, any of it, I dont
>
> > think. Could HD become the next mp3 technology? possible,
> > but not probable not now while he recievers are still in
> the
> > 500 buck range, but the car recievers are coming down, but
>
> > doesnt that defeat the purpouse?
>
> The new HD design specs were just released in 11/05, and
> new, cheaper radios will come over the next several years as
> more HD2 and basic HD broadcasting starts.
>
<P ID="signature">______________
Happy 20th Birthday Power 106
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KMRichards
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Suggestion
If this thread is going to devolve into a general discussion of HD Radio, perhaps I should move it to the HD Radio board.
Could we get back on-topic, which is how Los Angeles radio relates to HD? The original poster asked a legitimate question in that regard, but now it has become a discussion on HD, with a little satellite thrown in ...<P ID="signature">______________
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If this thread is going to devolve into a general discussion of HD Radio, perhaps I should move it to the HD Radio board.
Could we get back on-topic, which is how Los Angeles radio relates to HD? The original poster asked a legitimate question in that regard, but now it has become a discussion on HD, with a little satellite thrown in ...<P ID="signature">______________
</P>
My question would be is KROQ-2 extreme as it claims? I don't wanna turn it on and hear any No Doubt or "New" New Wave stuff whatsoever
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Frish
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> > >
> > yeah AM stereo who didnt know that was cloaked in
> > failure?....,
>
> AM stereo was killed by the legal workings of Leonard Kahn,
> the man who killed AM music radio. From a proposed
> introduction in 1978, he held AM steroe back a half-decade
> via lawsuits. By the time it was over, AM had no music
> audience to save and stereo was an absurd proposition.
Well yes and no it was not one guy, that is propaganda. It was just a bad idea because music had moved to FM and had been tere for decades. THe whole idea of AM stereo was miguided, whats the point of hearing mostly talk and some sports in amstereo, just a bad idea
>
> > Mini Disc remembeer that one?
>
> Yeah, outside the USA, the most successful device since the
> cassette, with hundreds of millions sold. Even radio
> stations in much of th eworld used them to broadcast music
> and commercials economically.
HOLD ON theyre not that huge overseas, period. And yes radio stations use (used) them but that is meaningless to the consumer, that would be like saying stations use carts so they are well known and respected, but theyre completely unknownto the consumer, and that is what it is all about the consumer, it measn NOTHING that stations used them...... sorry you're just off base on this one.
>
> > that was to be
> > the next big media thing. The whole premise (if I
> understand
> > it) to HD radio was to stave off the sat revoloution,
>
> No, that is not the idea at all. The idea is to give digital
> capability to terrestrial radio.
>
> > meantime the sat revoloution has turned out to be more of
> an
> > uprising of some Bananna republic rather than a huge
> > revolution, I have Sat and I do like it but Im a raido
> geek.
>
> Satellite is a separate issue, and not part of the HD
> discussion. Digital is necessary to compete today. Radio
> must find a digital solution.
>
> > The average listener isn't that into it, any of it, I dont
>
> > think. Could HD become the next mp3 technology? possible,
> > but not probable not now while he recievers are still in
> the
> > 500 buck range, but the car recievers are coming down, but
>
> > doesnt that defeat the purpouse?
>
> The new HD design specs were just released in 11/05, and
> new, cheaper radios will come over the next several years as
> more HD2 and basic HD broadcasting starts.
Again thats sort of obvious. Yes the radios will become cheaper as the expansion continues thn again will the demand grow to meet the expansion? no one will know for quite some time. Something has to be done for certain since regular broadcast radio is dying a painful and slow death. However most people still dont even know what it is or that it exists. Most fo the clear channel sattions run promos saying go to our web site to learn all about it, most people as you know are a little too lazy to go to say KIIS fm's web site to learn about how they can buy something else so they can get another sattion when theyre already listening to KIIS.
We shall just have to wait and see
>
> > yeah AM stereo who didnt know that was cloaked in
> > failure?....,
>
> AM stereo was killed by the legal workings of Leonard Kahn,
> the man who killed AM music radio. From a proposed
> introduction in 1978, he held AM steroe back a half-decade
> via lawsuits. By the time it was over, AM had no music
> audience to save and stereo was an absurd proposition.
Well yes and no it was not one guy, that is propaganda. It was just a bad idea because music had moved to FM and had been tere for decades. THe whole idea of AM stereo was miguided, whats the point of hearing mostly talk and some sports in amstereo, just a bad idea
>
> > Mini Disc remembeer that one?
>
> Yeah, outside the USA, the most successful device since the
> cassette, with hundreds of millions sold. Even radio
> stations in much of th eworld used them to broadcast music
> and commercials economically.
HOLD ON theyre not that huge overseas, period. And yes radio stations use (used) them but that is meaningless to the consumer, that would be like saying stations use carts so they are well known and respected, but theyre completely unknownto the consumer, and that is what it is all about the consumer, it measn NOTHING that stations used them...... sorry you're just off base on this one.
>
> > that was to be
> > the next big media thing. The whole premise (if I
> understand
> > it) to HD radio was to stave off the sat revoloution,
>
> No, that is not the idea at all. The idea is to give digital
> capability to terrestrial radio.
>
> > meantime the sat revoloution has turned out to be more of
> an
> > uprising of some Bananna republic rather than a huge
> > revolution, I have Sat and I do like it but Im a raido
> geek.
>
> Satellite is a separate issue, and not part of the HD
> discussion. Digital is necessary to compete today. Radio
> must find a digital solution.
>
> > The average listener isn't that into it, any of it, I dont
>
> > think. Could HD become the next mp3 technology? possible,
> > but not probable not now while he recievers are still in
> the
> > 500 buck range, but the car recievers are coming down, but
>
> > doesnt that defeat the purpouse?
>
> The new HD design specs were just released in 11/05, and
> new, cheaper radios will come over the next several years as
> more HD2 and basic HD broadcasting starts.
Again thats sort of obvious. Yes the radios will become cheaper as the expansion continues thn again will the demand grow to meet the expansion? no one will know for quite some time. Something has to be done for certain since regular broadcast radio is dying a painful and slow death. However most people still dont even know what it is or that it exists. Most fo the clear channel sattions run promos saying go to our web site to learn all about it, most people as you know are a little too lazy to go to say KIIS fm's web site to learn about how they can buy something else so they can get another sattion when theyre already listening to KIIS.
We shall just have to wait and see
>
K
KMRichards
Guest
> > AM stereo was killed by the legal workings of Leonard
> Kahn,
> > the man who killed AM music radio. From a proposed
> > introduction in 1978, he held AM steroe back a half-decade
> > via lawsuits. By the time it was over, AM had no music
> > audience to save and stereo was an absurd proposition.
>
> Well yes and no it was not one guy, that is propaganda. It
> was just a bad idea because music had moved to FM and had
> been tere for decades. THe whole idea of AM stereo was
> miguided, whats the point of hearing mostly talk and some
> sports in amstereo, just a bad idea
Music was on FM for decades by 1978? What history book did you get that idea from?
FM was just catching on in the major markets in the 1970s.<P ID="signature">______________
</P>
> Kahn,
> > the man who killed AM music radio. From a proposed
> > introduction in 1978, he held AM steroe back a half-decade
> > via lawsuits. By the time it was over, AM had no music
> > audience to save and stereo was an absurd proposition.
>
> Well yes and no it was not one guy, that is propaganda. It
> was just a bad idea because music had moved to FM and had
> been tere for decades. THe whole idea of AM stereo was
> miguided, whats the point of hearing mostly talk and some
> sports in amstereo, just a bad idea
Music was on FM for decades by 1978? What history book did you get that idea from?
FM was just catching on in the major markets in the 1970s.<P ID="signature">______________
</P>
Re: More wrong facts.
>
> Well yes and no it was not one guy, that is propaganda.
No, it is a fact. Leonard Kahn stopped the implementation of Am stereo in 1978. I had order #1 for two of the 5 proponants, and might well have had the first licensed AM stereo station in the US, so I avidly followed the procedures.
> It
> was just a bad idea because music had moved to FM and had
> been tere for decades.
It was not until between 1978 and 1980 that FM had over 50% of the listening in the rated markets. It was NOT decades, as it had not yet happened in the year where Kahn held up the implementation with his lawsuits.
> THe whole idea of AM stereo was
> miguided, whats the point of hearing mostly talk and some
> sports in amstereo, just a bad idea
AM radio was mostly music in 1978. In fact, since Fairness had not yet been repealed, AM talk was barely in its infancy.
> >
> > Yeah, outside the USA, the most successful device since
> the
> > cassette, with hundreds of millions sold. Even radio
> > stations in much of th eworld used them to broadcast music
>
> > and commercials economically.
>
> HOLD ON theyre not that huge overseas, period.
In most of the Third World, the minidisk is still being used, altthough MP3 players are taking over now. In the 90's, minidisk players were the ultra common all over Latin America, Asian and even Africa among those who could afford a device that was one step up from the cassette.
They were a huge success. I suspect you never worked in one of the areas I named, or you would have realized in about 12 hours that the minidisk was the big thing for music storage. It was and still is standard in most broadcast studios.
> And yes
> radio stations use (used) them but that is meaningless to
> the consumer, that would be like saying stations use carts
> so they are well known and respected, but theyre completely
> unknownto the consumer, and that is what it is all about the
> consumer, it measn NOTHING that stations used them......
> sorry you're just off base on this one.
Whatever. I worked from Karachi to Buenos Aires in the 90's, and you could not go by a store that sold electronics that did not have all kinds of minidisk players. Since computers were way too expensive in that decade in the Third World, the minidisk was the preferred music device.
> >
> > The new HD design specs were just released in 11/05, and
> > new, cheaper radios will come over the next several years
> as
> > more HD2 and basic HD broadcasting starts.
>
> Again thats sort of obvious. Yes the radios will become
> cheaper as the expansion continues thn again will the demand
> grow to meet the expansion? no one will know for quite some
> time.
Nobody expects it too. The various industry committees think this is a 3 to 5 year ramp up at best.
> Something has to be done for certain since regular
> broadcast radio is dying a painful and slow death.
Also untrue. Radio is slow growth or no growth, but is hardly dying. Listening levels are off, as I now am tiring of saying, less than 2% in the last 41 years since Arbitron started measurement (cume).
> However
> most people still dont even know what it is or that it
> exists. Most fo the clear channel sattions run promos saying
> go to our web site to learn all about it, most people as
> you know are a little too lazy to go to say KIIS fm's web
> site to learn about how they can buy something else so they
> can get another sattion when theyre already listening to
> KIIS.
All the compnaies in the Alliance are running some kind of promos, but the big kick off comes late this year.
>
> We shall just have to wait and see
Hopefully, someone can put adhesive tape over Leonar Kahn's snout so he does not kill radio. He already killed AM as a music medium, something I truly hope he is proud of... as that is how most of us will remember him (oh, and for the dreadful PowerSide, too).
>
> Well yes and no it was not one guy, that is propaganda.
No, it is a fact. Leonard Kahn stopped the implementation of Am stereo in 1978. I had order #1 for two of the 5 proponants, and might well have had the first licensed AM stereo station in the US, so I avidly followed the procedures.
> It
> was just a bad idea because music had moved to FM and had
> been tere for decades.
It was not until between 1978 and 1980 that FM had over 50% of the listening in the rated markets. It was NOT decades, as it had not yet happened in the year where Kahn held up the implementation with his lawsuits.
> THe whole idea of AM stereo was
> miguided, whats the point of hearing mostly talk and some
> sports in amstereo, just a bad idea
AM radio was mostly music in 1978. In fact, since Fairness had not yet been repealed, AM talk was barely in its infancy.
> >
> > Yeah, outside the USA, the most successful device since
> the
> > cassette, with hundreds of millions sold. Even radio
> > stations in much of th eworld used them to broadcast music
>
> > and commercials economically.
>
> HOLD ON theyre not that huge overseas, period.
In most of the Third World, the minidisk is still being used, altthough MP3 players are taking over now. In the 90's, minidisk players were the ultra common all over Latin America, Asian and even Africa among those who could afford a device that was one step up from the cassette.
They were a huge success. I suspect you never worked in one of the areas I named, or you would have realized in about 12 hours that the minidisk was the big thing for music storage. It was and still is standard in most broadcast studios.
> And yes
> radio stations use (used) them but that is meaningless to
> the consumer, that would be like saying stations use carts
> so they are well known and respected, but theyre completely
> unknownto the consumer, and that is what it is all about the
> consumer, it measn NOTHING that stations used them......
> sorry you're just off base on this one.
Whatever. I worked from Karachi to Buenos Aires in the 90's, and you could not go by a store that sold electronics that did not have all kinds of minidisk players. Since computers were way too expensive in that decade in the Third World, the minidisk was the preferred music device.
> >
> > The new HD design specs were just released in 11/05, and
> > new, cheaper radios will come over the next several years
> as
> > more HD2 and basic HD broadcasting starts.
>
> Again thats sort of obvious. Yes the radios will become
> cheaper as the expansion continues thn again will the demand
> grow to meet the expansion? no one will know for quite some
> time.
Nobody expects it too. The various industry committees think this is a 3 to 5 year ramp up at best.
> Something has to be done for certain since regular
> broadcast radio is dying a painful and slow death.
Also untrue. Radio is slow growth or no growth, but is hardly dying. Listening levels are off, as I now am tiring of saying, less than 2% in the last 41 years since Arbitron started measurement (cume).
> However
> most people still dont even know what it is or that it
> exists. Most fo the clear channel sattions run promos saying
> go to our web site to learn all about it, most people as
> you know are a little too lazy to go to say KIIS fm's web
> site to learn about how they can buy something else so they
> can get another sattion when theyre already listening to
> KIIS.
All the compnaies in the Alliance are running some kind of promos, but the big kick off comes late this year.
>
> We shall just have to wait and see
Hopefully, someone can put adhesive tape over Leonar Kahn's snout so he does not kill radio. He already killed AM as a music medium, something I truly hope he is proud of... as that is how most of us will remember him (oh, and for the dreadful PowerSide, too).
>
> Music was on FM for decades by 1978? What history book did
> you get that idea from?
>
> FM was just catching on in the major markets in the 1970s.
>
This Frish is wrong on more things than I can count.
> Music was on FM for decades by 1978? What history book did
> you get that idea from?
>
> FM was just catching on in the major markets in the 1970s.
>
This Frish is wrong on more things than I can count.
Re: Suggestion
Thread has been moved. I made the call, no further statement from me on this matter.
> If this thread is going to devolve into a general discussion
> of HD Radio, perhaps I should move it to the HD Radio board.
>
>
> Could we get back on-topic, which is how Los Angeles radio
> relates to HD? The original poster asked a legitimate
> question in that regard, but now it has become a discussion
> on HD, with a little satellite thrown in ...
>
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Thread has been moved. I made the call, no further statement from me on this matter.
> If this thread is going to devolve into a general discussion
> of HD Radio, perhaps I should move it to the HD Radio board.
>
>
> Could we get back on-topic, which is how Los Angeles radio
> relates to HD? The original poster asked a legitimate
> question in that regard, but now it has become a discussion
> on HD, with a little satellite thrown in ...
>
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