Why are we entertaining such a silly scenario that will never happen? Where's the logic behind it?
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ESPN 98.7 FM to be no more come August 31, 2024
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Agreed. What was proposed is silly. If Karmazin doesn't think FM is important enough because people have smart phones and smart speakers to listen to ESPN NY, then why would he spend any money trying to upgrade to a better AM signal?
I was just trying to explain why 770 is important to WABC and is likely not going away even if he decides to expand on an FM, which I also think is unlikely.
Mel's son is the man behind Good Karma.
Mel's still around, and he's 80.
Even though the format can draw a large number of listeners. Even in a market like Atlanta that has the highest number of blacks in the market except NYC the Urban One gospel 3kw FM does very well in cume buts it may understanding that it only survives due sales combos with its sister hip hop and adult r&b stations. NYC has the population to support gospel but due to demos it would lose a pile of money and money trumps ratings.
They are so dumb they took away alt 92.3. The people you gain from 1010 wins, you lose the
people who like the music. WFAN, ESPN, and WBAI are all talk. FM radio should be for music.
Country, Alt Rock, Christian Rock. Am I wrong ?
people who like the music. WFAN, ESPN, and WBAI are all talk. FM radio should be for music.
Country, Alt Rock, Christian Rock. Am I wrong ?
Hard to keep a station that had consistently low ratings and less revenue potential going. At least it’s still on HD and a mobile app. Better than having absolutely nothing like some markets.
Oh well. Radio is a business.
WFAN, ESPN, and WBAI are all talk.
And?
FM radio should be for music.
As someone that’s worked in radio before (including working on an AM talk station with two FM translators to cover the market when the AM powers down at night) - no, it shouldn’t.
There are reasons why two of those formats aren’t being heard on a terrestrial signal in the City.
Yes, you are. Rule #1: establish a franchise. Rule #2: protect the franchise as best you can. 1010WINS is a franchise. They consistently have high ratings, on a band that's going through its death gurgle in slo-mo. WINS has remained strong, but that wasn't going to last much longer. (Despite what a certain dentist keeps yelling.) If you want to protect it so the format can continue contributing the big dollars to the parent company -- dollars they desperately need -- then you begin the migration-to-FM process before, not after, the canoe goes over the waterfall. Otherwise the damage will have already been done, and it will be 10 times harder to get the audience back (if that will even be possible at that point).
You're a new member, so if you look through the New York board during the time 92.3 was alternative, you'll see endless debates about the music. Either the music was too new, or it was too old, or too pop, or why aren't they playing this song, or why are they playing that song. Just endless discussion that you don't see with other formats. Radio stations play the music, and you either listen or you don't. What we saw over & over is that this format had no consensus. Everybody had their own personal song list. At the end of the day, it just wasn't worth it anymore.
To your broader discussion about FM for music, there are no rules about that. The stations choose formats based on ratings and revenue. If it's music, talk, sports, religion, or anything else, that's what they do.
Maybe the reason there was so much endless discussion about it is because so many people are passionate about the format and care about the music, unlike other formats.
I mean, what is there to say about Lite-FM playing Maroon 5 for the ten billionth time by comparison? It's not a format for radio enthusiasts or music enthusiasts. It's background music for the office. The consensus is that it's like the beige wallpaper that no one cares about.
And please stop gaslighting this forum about how the format has no consensus. We know you don't like it but there are successful Alternative stations in other markets with plenty of consensus about the music they play. Alt 92.3 had a bad program director. What that station plays now is the "consensus" music that belonged there all along, but it's on HD2 so no one will hear it because most people don't have or use HD Radio.
Which is wonderful. They have passion. But they only have passion for their own playlist. That's why the format doesn't work on the radio.
You're exactly correct. It's not for music enthusiasts. Music enthusiasts have their own personal collections that they have purchased and listen to as often as they want. That is the definition of what it means to be a music enthusiast. Radio is not designed for them. Or perhaps COMMERCIAL radio is not for them.
It doesn't work in New York, and that's what we're talking about.
That “passion”, however much it was, did not translate into any meaningful, long-term ratings success. That’s why it’s been shunted off to HD2 and likely will not return (in commercial form) to FM.
I was hoping it would last forever because it actually lasted longer than the 2 versions of 101.9 WRXP, 2008-2011, and July-November 2012. And then ALT 92.3 lasted from November 2017- October 2022. By the way, have any other ALT stations around the country gone off air since ours did?
WRXP in 2012 was filler programmed entirely out of Chicago and voice-tracked from Chicago as Merlin Media was openly shopping the signal. It was a format that had no future, and everyone knew it.
That it did modestly well enough in the 6+ beauty pageant topline for the few months it was filler speaks to how terrible a failure FM News was. And FM News existed because the first WRXP was a market failure.
That it did modestly well enough in the 6+ beauty pageant topline for the few months it was filler speaks to how terrible a failure FM News was. And FM News existed because the first WRXP was a market failure.
No commercial radio format lasts forever.
It's possible that 92.3 only kept the alternative format for much longer than had been expected because it took awhile to iron out a WINS simulcast arrangement (especially the union contracts).
So again, what format would 98.7 most likely flip to?
The one chosen by the new owner. That's really ALL we know.
Really no need to ask this again. Patience is a virtue.
WSM would like a word with you