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And now rap has shown up on Good Time Oldies (Westwood One).

Not exactly the same thing, but a longer version of "The Safety Dance" I never heard was played later in the day where the vocalist talks instead of singing, which is followed by the original version with the singing.
 
There's nothing wrong with some of the good classic rap from the 70s and 80s. I actually like some of it! Since the definition of "oldies" as a format is rather loose, and encompasses pretty much all pop that's about 20 to 30 years old from now, hearing some early rap on formats such as Westwood One, odd as it may sound in the context of the more "typical" oldies songs they play, actually makes some sense.

That being said, if any of that more modern, angry sounding stuff with the obnoxious bass and profane lyrics starts showing up on oldies stations, I won't be too pleased.

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The Safety Dance from Men Without Hats was released in 1982 - 41 years ago. So yep, it fits within the category of an "oldie". If you were 20 years old when that song first aired, you're near retirement age now.
 
This is Pollyannish, but bear with me…if Rap lyrics would focus on telling stories, instead of relying on lyrics that denigrate women and promote violence, it might be better received. Here’s a challenge for those of you that love rap music…send me complete lyrics of just one current rap song that fits the above criteria. I am always searching for new music, and will not automatically reject rap in its entirety. Also, for those that enjoy old-school rap, please consider doing the same. At least, please just send song titles, and I will do the rest!
 
Greg Goodfellow said:
This is Pollyannish, but bear with me…if Rap lyrics would focus on telling stories, instead of relying on lyrics that denigrate women and promote violence, it might be better received. Here’s a challenge for those of you that love rap music…send me complete lyrics of just one current rap song that fits the above criteria. I am always searching for new music, and will not automatically reject rap in its entirety. Also, for those that enjoy old-school rap, please consider doing the same.
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Just keepin' it real...
 
CTListener said:
Just keepin' it real...
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Rapper's Delight, Funk You Up (The Sequence), Walk This Way (Run DMC/Aerosmith),

vchimp, I don't consider "I Feel for You" a rap song, despite the intro.

If you saw the Dionne Warwick documentary, you know that in the 90s, she summoned the major rap stars of the day to her home for a 7am meeting about their lyrics containing lyrics degrading to women. Music legend Dionne Warwick left a group of rappers ‘scared’ and the reason why is heroic
 
vchimpanzee said:
Not exactly the same thing, but a longer version of "The Safety Dance" I never heard was played later in the day where the vocalist talks instead of singing, which is followed by the original version with the singing.
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Ever hear of Shirley Ellis? She had hits in the 60s with The Name Game and The Clap Song, where she talks people through her songs.

I Feel For You was written by Prince. His version didn't have the rap or the Stevie Wonder harmonica solo. But his version wasn't a hit.
 
TheBigA said:
There's also rap in the Devil Went Down to Georgia. And Boy Named Sue.
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Could be. But be the usual definition of rap, I think this is a first.

Whether Good Time Oldies plays either of those I don't know.

Another song that sort of sounds like rap is "Walk This Way", which they do play. Rap wasn't well known so I can't imagine it was intentional, but this did give Run-DMC ideas later.
 
CTListener said:
That's a real stretch. The spoken parts of both those story-songs advance a narrative and don't feature words chosen for shock effect or just because they fit easily into repetitive, unsophisticated rhyme schemes.
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They're also in different genres of music, which might also be part of that.
 
vchimpanzee said:
Could be. But be the usual definition of rap, I think this is a first.

Whether Good Time Oldies plays either of those I don't know.

Another song that sort of sounds like rap is "Walk This Way", which they do play. Rap wasn't well known so I can't imagine it was intentional, but this did give Run-DMC ideas later.
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I'm not following. Walk this Way was a rock hit by Aerosmith, and Aerosmith was part of the Run DMC version of the song
 
Mikey Radio said:
Going way back, I don't recall artists like MC Hammer or Vanilla Ice's music featuring content about sex, drugs or violence - at least the stuff that got airplay back in the day.
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Sex, drugs and violence have been part popular music for years, but we’re going to single out rap? Barry Manilow for crying out loud, and Copacabana 😀.

How about Kenny Rogers and Coward of the County, with sexual violence, a 2-fer. Afternoon Delight was about you-know-what in the daytime.

And drugs? Come on, let’s be real. That was a recurring theme in all kinds of songs.

But gee, I wonder why it is that rap gets repeatedly singled out for songs with those topics. Hmmm….what could it be…what could it be….
 
AbrahamJSimpson said:
I wonder why it is that rap gets repeatedly singled out for songs with those topics.
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Well, I'm not going to argue about why that is, but I will point out that much modern rap that I've heard tends to have a very bass heavy, very dark sounding beat with most lyrics that aren't sampled delivered in a rather harsh, angry, and negative tone.

I'm not trying to say that all modern rap is like this, but as I said, much of it that I've heard does seem to fit this description to various extents.

I'd be happy to be proven wrong, of course :)

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cc333 said:
Well, I'm not going to argue about why that is, but I will point out that much modern rap that I've heard tends to have a very bass heavy, very dark sounding beat with most lyrics that aren't sampled delivered in a rather harsh, angry, and negative tone.
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"They took turns at Becky. There was three of them." -- Coward of the County.
"I told you once, you son of a b---- (or gun). I'm the best that's ever been!" -- The Devil Went Down to Georgia.
"My name is Sue! How do you do! You gonna die!" -- A Boy Named Sue.
 
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