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The non-comm FM dial in SD

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wwes

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Unless I'm missing something...
It looks like the entire San Diego area only has about two non-comm FM stations originating programming. I took a quick look at Mexico and didn't see much going on there that would acccount for this. LA looks too far down the coast to shut out a few lower powered non-comm FM from providing local service to this HUGE market.
(Even here in NE Ohio just about every channel from 88.1 to 91.9
has something going on).

Seems odd that I could only find two for all of S.D.
What's the deal? What am I missing?
Is everyone outside enjoying the fantastic weather?

Bill
www.SundayOldiesJukebox.com
www.wwes.org
 
> Seems odd that I could only find two for all of S.D.
> What's the deal? What am I missing?
> Is everyone outside enjoying the fantastic weather?
>
> Bill
> www.SundayOldiesJukebox.com
> www.wwes.org
>

I'm sure you know this already...but there are lots of Mexican
commercial FMs in the US non-commercial band. May not be too
many available slots open...<P ID="signature">______________
but wait...there's more!</P>
 
> I'm sure you know this already...but there are lots of
> Mexican
> commercial FMs in the US non-commercial band. May not be
> too
> many available slots open...

Also, stations in the west aren't spaced as close together as they are in the east, so you really can't compare the two. (Most east coast stations are grandfathered under the current short-spacing rules.) <P ID="signature">______________
...co-moderator of the Satellite Radio, Phoenix, and San Diego boards...</P>
 
What about all the religious stations in San Diego, including the ones in Spanish? You don't count those as "non-commerical?"

> Unless I'm missing something...
> It looks like the entire San Diego area only has about two
> non-comm FM stations originating programming. I took a
> quick look at Mexico and didn't see much going on there that
> would acccount for this. LA looks too far down the coast to
> shut out a few lower powered non-comm FM from providing
> local service to this HUGE market.
> (Even here in NE Ohio just about every channel from 88.1 to
> 91.9
> has something going on).
>
> Seems odd that I could only find two for all of S.D.
> What's the deal? What am I missing?
> Is everyone outside enjoying the fantastic weather?
>
> Bill
> www.SundayOldiesJukebox.com
> www.wwes.org
>
 
> What about all the religious stations in San Diego,
> including the ones in Spanish? You don't count those as
> "non-commerical?"
>

I didn't see any religious non-comm stns (88.1 to 91.9) in the greater SD area.
Although I only did a quick "fringe" search with:
http://www.radio-locator.com for "San Diego"
and only saw TWO "real" FM stns:
one from SD City College
& the other frm SD State U.

BTW...also did a similar search for Tj stns across the border
I recall (back when I lived in SD in 1979)
that there was a HUGE & popular commercial American 91.1 FM rocker....with the Tx in Tj....XETRA...
To avoid confusion w/ "those strange" Mexican calls (in Spanish)...they called it "91 X." I now see it's still there....along with a 90.3, a 90.7 and a 91.7.

Yeah...I suspect the border factor is what's going on...oh well.
At first glance, it seemed odd to only have two non-comms in the "reserved band."

Hey it's a NE Ohio heat wave...40 degrees today...
and there might even be some sun trying to peak through the clouds.
I do miss the SD wx! Best in the nation.

Bill
www.SundayOldiesJukebox.com
www.wwes.org

<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by wwes on 01/01/06 11:46 PM.</FONT></P>
 
What about 100.1 and 107.9?

I think one is the WAVE, and the other is KLOVE
And what about KPRZ AM or KECR AM?
Or are you just talking about FM?


> I didn't see any religious non-comm stns (88.1 to 91.9) in
> the greater SD area.
> Although I only did a quick "fringe" search with:
> http://www.radio-locator.com for "San Diego"
> and only saw TWO "real" FM stns:
> one from SC City College
> & the other frm SD State U.
>
> BTW...also did a similar search for Tj stns across the
> border
> & not a "lot" there (from 88.1-91.9)either...
> Although I do seem to recall
> (back when I lived in SD in 1979)
> that there was a HUGE & popular commercial American 91.1 FM
> rocker....with the Tx in Tj....XETRA...
> To avoid confusion w/ "those strange" Mexican calls (in
> Spanish)...they called it "91 X." I now see it's still
> there....along with a 90.3, a 90.7 and a 91.7.
>
> Yeah...I suspect the border factor is (in large part) what's
> going on...oh well.
> At first glance, it seemed odd to only have two non-comms in
> the "reserved band."
> Hey it's a NE Ohio heat wave...40 degrees today...
> and there might even be some sun trying to peak through the
> clouds.
>
> Bill
> www.SundayOldiesJukebox.com
> www.wwes.org
>
 
> What about 100.1 and 107.9?
>
> I think one is the WAVE, and the other is KLOVE
> And what about KPRZ AM or KECR AM?
> Or are you just talking about FM?
>
Those are commercial licenses. They make money selling program-length sermons, or by soliciting funds from listeners.

Religious radio does not mean noncommercial.
 
> What about 100.1 and 107.9?
> I think one is the WAVE, and the other is KLOVE
> And what about KPRZ AM or KECR AM?
> Or are you just talking about FM?
>

I was just wondering about the FM non-commercial reserve band
(88.1 to 91.9).

Bill
www.SundayOldiesJukebox.com
www.wwes.org
 
> > What about 100.1 and 107.9?
> >
> > I think one is the WAVE, and the other is KLOVE
> > And what about KPRZ AM or KECR AM?
> > Or are you just talking about FM?
> >
> Those are commercial licenses. They make money selling
> program-length sermons, or by soliciting funds from
> listeners.
>
> Religious radio does not mean noncommercial.
>

You mean NPR does not solcit funds from listners?
 
> > What about all the religious stations in San Diego,
> > including the ones in Spanish? You don't count those as
> > "non-commerical?"
> >
>
> I didn't see any religious non-comm stns (88.1 to 91.9) in
> the greater SD area.
> Although I only did a quick "fringe" search with:
> http://www.radio-locator.com for "San Diego"
> and only saw TWO "real" FM stns:
> one from SD City College
> & the other frm SD State U.
>
> BTW...also did a similar search for Tj stns across the
> border
> I recall (back when I lived in SD in 1979)
> that there was a HUGE & popular commercial American 91.1 FM
> rocker....with the Tx in Tj....XETRA...
> To avoid confusion w/ "those strange" Mexican calls (in
> Spanish)...they called it "91 X." I now see it's still
> there....along with a 90.3, a 90.7 and a 91.7.

By the way 90.7 is a non commercial Classical music station
XHLNC
>
> Yeah...I suspect the border factor is what's going on...oh
> well.
> At first glance, it seemed odd to only have two non-comms in
> the "reserved band."
>
> Hey it's a NE Ohio heat wave...40 degrees today...
> and there might even be some sun trying to peak through the
> clouds.
> I do miss the SD wx! Best in the nation.
>
> Bill
> www.SundayOldiesJukebox.com
> www.wwes.org
>
 
> > What about 100.1 and 107.9?
> >
> > I think one is the WAVE, and the other is KLOVE
> > And what about KPRZ AM or KECR AM?
> > Or are you just talking about FM?
> >
> Those are commercial licenses. They make money selling
> program-length sermons, or by soliciting funds from
> listeners.
>
> Religious radio does not mean noncommercial.

KCBQ and KPRZ are both Commercial licensed stations and both sell commercials. There is a difference between underwriting messages and commercials.
>
 
> You mean NPR does not solcit funds from listners?
>

Did I say anything about NPR? No, it appears your defensiveness about the profitablity of pious preaching has hit a nerve.

Go check. I said the commercial religious stations sell program-length time blocks to the thumpers.

And last I checked, Salem and its fellow pious christian commercial broadcasters have made quite a bit of gold in the temple.
 
Topography and Mexico

> Bill
> www.SundayOldiesJukebox.com
> www.wwes.org
>
San Diego has very few available non commercial FM slots available for several reasons:

(1) The topography of the mountainous area near Mexico caused the FCC back in the 1950s to restrict the power, spacing and number of FM stations near the border.

(2) Mexico placed several "Class C"-type commercial FM licenses below 91.9, as it had every right to do so. Adjacent frequencies are therefore unavailable, and the second-adjacent stations are almost always occupied by L.A. stations that are entitled to protection.

For example: 91.1 XETRA-FM is bracketed by 91.5 KUSC and 90.7 KPFK in Los Angeles, and that makes the 90.5, 90.7, 90.9, 91.1, 91.3, 91.5 and 91.7 positions are largely unusable in SD and LA to protect KUSC, 91X and KPFK. There are a few Class A noncoms FMs on those freqs in the suburbs, though. Where that happens, like San Bernardino, the band is awash in competing and overriding signals.

Same story with 90.3.

88.7 in Tijuana came on the air later and is not as powerful (or as-protected) as the others.

In the past few years, some 1-watt "translators" on Mt. Wilson/Harvard (LA) have popped up on the Tijuana FM stations and are not apparently causing any problems in Mexico, but substantially overpower the mexican FMs in LA County.
 
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