State of Wisconsin warns vigilantes not to conduct or broadcast sex predator stings

[Y2kTheNewOldies]

https://wkow.com/news/2019/08/22/ed...conduct-dozens-of-stings-but-see-few-arrests/

https://fox6now.com/2019/08/26/ag-j...-from-engaging-in-vigilante-sting-operations/

Now the Attorney General of Wisconsin is investigating "Predator Hunters" who conduct confrontations of who the pundits accuse of being rapists and posting them on facebook and other social media outlets for broadcasts. But some of the people who are being investigated for "Predator Hunting" have in the past been known to broadcast confrontations of people they accuse of misconduct on facebook and youtube resulting in both law enforcement and the internet media outlets to respond. Also one of the Youtube Pundits have been investigated for false rape allegations after his broadcast of accusing somebody of sexual harassment online.

https://www.wisn.com/article/wisconsin-online-vigilante-sex-sting/9138793

EDGERTON (WKOW) — Friday marks a year since Edgerton-based “Worldwide Predator Hunters” launched. The group conducts sting operations posing as teenagers to catfish potential online predators before confronting them on Facebook Live.

A year later, the group’s tactics have led to few arrests and even fewer charges but founder Jay Pretty said he’s proud of the work they’ve done.

“We’ve got quite a few sex offenders off the streets,” he said. “I say we’ve done about 20 good busts.”

Professional law enforcement sees it differently. From the beginning, Pretty and his team have faced criticism from the Edgerton Police Department and Rock County District Attorney David O’Leary. Both expressed concerns that Pretty is attracting dangerous predators to the area and contacting law enforcement at the wrong point in their investigations.

“This group prefers to continue their ‘Jerry Springer’ style tactics of showing their actions on the internet and after they have gotten the attention they seek they then turn to law enforcement to make an arrest,” O’Leary said.

27 News researched the subjects of every publicly posted video of a sting taking place in Dane and Rock County Worldwide Predators Hunters posted to their Youtube page as well as a few of the exposure photos on their Facebook. We were only able to verify one person is currently in jail.

Pretty said in that case, he was able to contact the alleged predator’s parole officer in Janesville to ensure an arrest before any confrontation. As for the others, he insists there’s more work behind the scenes.

“They haven’t yet been charged,” he said. “The investigation is on-going.”

Note so far only the attorney general of Wisconsin has responded to allegations of vigilantes broadcasting sting operations on Youtube and facebook. The question here is how does facebook and Youtube PR people deal with certain pundits making allegations that may compromise investigations. In this case one of the pundits Jay Pretty doing "Predator Hunting" is accused of broadcasting one of the stings on facebook live.

 

[Y2kTheNewOldies]

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-hampshire-48145336#

In an unrelated case Youtube banned a pundit for making false rape allegations and broadcasting the allegations on youtube which lead to both the UK and Youtube to investigate him. Cases where a pundit makes allegations is going to be investigated on a case by case basis and by country basis.

A self-styled paedophile hunter has said his channel has been permanently banned by YouTube.
Stephen Dure, who is also known as Stevie Trap, previously posted videos of himself confronting alleged sexual offenders in Hampshire.
He said he has been prohibited from ever owning or using a YouTube account.
The website said the channel had been terminated because of "multiple or severe violations" of policies against bullying and harassment.
'Disgusting treatment'
Previously, YouTube said it made a "mistake" when it deleted the account in April.
Mr Dure, from Southampton, said the channel had been deleted and reinstated three times in the past.
He said: "I don't know what YouTube's problem is but I'm actually disgusted by the way they're treating me."
The campaigner said he was moving forward with plans to create his own website.
In a statement, YouTube said: "We terminate the accounts of repeat offenders."
In September, Mr Dure was jailed for 15 weeks for falsely accusing a man of grooming teenagers.

 

[DavidEduardo]

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-hampshire-48145336#

In an unrelated case Youtube banned a pundit for making false rape allegations and broadcasting the allegations on youtube which lead to both the UK and Youtube to investigate him. Cases where a pundit makes allegations is going to be investigated on a case by case basis and by country basis.

And this is what is alluded to on both sides of the aisle when restriction of "hate speech" are discussed.

At what point is a personal opinion dangerous? That's the basic First Amendment limitation: you can't scream "fire" in a movie theater when one does not exist as that speech endangers others.

And we have all seen guests on Fox, MSNBC and others whose opinions seem inflammatory and potentially dangerous.

 

[TheBigA]

At what point is a personal opinion dangerous? That's the basic First Amendment limitation: you can't scream "fire" in a movie theater when one does not exist as that speech endangers others.

Exactly. I posted this list from Google in the "hate speech" thread, and its worth reposting here.

"Google Publisher Policies, which outline the types of content we won’t monetize through any of our publisher products. These include: Illegal Content, Child Sexual Abuse Material & Pedophilia, Sexually Explicit Content, Adult Themes in Family Content, Intellectual Property Abuse, Endangered or Threatened Species, Dangerous or Derogatory Content, Enabling Dishonest Behavior, Misrepresentative Content, Malicious or Unwanted Software, and Mail Order Brides."

 

[Y2kTheNewOldies]

And this is what is alluded to on both sides of the aisle when restriction of "hate speech" are discussed.

At what point is a personal opinion dangerous? That's the basic First Amendment limitation: you can't scream "fire" in a movie theater when one does not exist as that speech endangers others.

And we have all seen guests on Fox, MSNBC and others whose opinions seem inflammatory and potentially dangerous.

https://www.jsonline.com/story/news...tes-luring-online-child-predators/2122511001/

In cases like the Jay Pretty "Predator Hunting"/"Creep Catchers" Operations in the articles you have civilians trying to play "Blame the Hero" card in court and on their Youtube shows when they broadcast a confrontation on who they accuse of being a predator. Yes I feel bad for these civilians doing the Predator hunting operations because these people were lead to believe they were doing their Neighborhood watch duty in both Social Media and on the streets. If/when one of their "Targets" get killed by the people watching the Predator Hunting videos it now becomes a case of "Blame the Hero" and what can youtube and facebook do to stop the escalations though.

https://www.recordonline.com/news/20190725/deerpark-mans-manslaughter-retrial-underway

https://ktla.com/2019/08/16/corona-...-bar-after-being-mistaken-for-child-predator/

 

[FreddyE1977]

And we have all seen guests on Fox, MSNBC and others whose opinions seem inflammatory and potentially dangerous.

And I would ask you respectfully, who among us is competent to make that judgment?
Who gets to decide?

Because I assure you, whomever it may be, their personal biases and preferences will play into the decision.
And sooner or later you aren't going to like being at the spear tip of enforcement.

That's why the Founding Fathers in their wisdom made the First Amendment close to a blanket thing.
It is up to the listener to accept or reject what is being said.

 

[TheBigA]

That's why the Founding Fathers in their wisdom made the First Amendment close to a blanket thing.

It really is NOT a blanket thing, and the Supreme Court has ruled it is not. There have been lots of exceptions. The First Amendment states "Congress shall make no law abridging freedom of speech." That specifically relates to the federal government. It doesn't apply to private companies. who can come up with terms of service regarding people posting things on web sites.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

 

[Y2kTheNewOldies]

https://www.jsonline.com/story/news...tes-luring-online-child-predators/2122511001/

In cases like the Jay Pretty "Predator Hunting"/"Creep Catchers" Operations in the articles you have civilians trying to play "Blame the Hero" card in court and on their Youtube shows when they broadcast a confrontation on who they accuse of being a predator. Yes I feel bad for these civilians doing the Predator hunting operations because these people were lead to believe they were doing their Neighborhood watch duty in both Social Media and on the streets. If/when one of their "Targets" get killed by the people watching the Predator Hunting videos it now becomes a case of "Blame the Hero" and what can youtube and facebook do to stop the escalations though.

https://www.recordonline.com/news/20190725/deerpark-mans-manslaughter-retrial-underway

https://ktla.com/2019/08/16/corona-...-bar-after-being-mistaken-for-child-predator/

https://www.thedailybeast.com/catch-a-predator-vigilante-sued-by-pervs-he-caught-on-video

https://www.change.org/p/anxiety-war-youtuber-sued-for-catching-a-pedophile

Even a few Years ago there was issues of vigilantes being sued for their broadcasts from Canada to the USA. and in a few cases some of the vigilantes have been under investigation for false rape allegations and broadcasting their confrontations on facebook and youtube. It has lead to civil right lawsuits and a wrongful death lawsuit over what a pundit has said or went into fights with the accused that lead to the civil rights violation being mentioned in the lawsuits.

https://nanaimonewsnow.com/2017/04/...rey-creep-catchers-allege-defamation-threats/

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/creep-catcher-katelynn-mcknight-vigilante-justice-1.3794017

 

[Y2kTheNewOldies]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...ed-during-amateur-sex-sting-disturbing-trend/

And now we have a teen vigilante getting kidnapped for running a similar operation.

 

[Y2kTheNewOldies]

https://www.thenews-messenger.com/s...-predators-deemed-unlawful-police/4554163002/

Now a vigilante group is under investigation for posting videos where the pundits in question have made allegations of people they accuse of misconduct.

 

[Y2kTheNewOldies]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...ing-account-Pervert-Productions.html#comments


https://www.theguardian.com/technol...ralian-account-purporting-to-hunt-paedophiles


Now Tik Tok has removed a "Vigilante Group" over "Risky Behavior". Yes this Australian group hunting people they accuse of misconduct has been removed from Tik Tok. Wow This will end up being a case where the people banned for predator hunting will end up arguing over "Blame the Hero" in both Court and with Social Media leaders.

Social networking platform TikTok has removed an Australian account purporting to lure alleged paedophiles to meetings and then capture their confrontation on film, as the NSW police warn people not to take the law into their own hands.

In what appears to be a new form of the trend of online accounts hunting child sex abusers, the account, which before being taken down had thousands of views and likes, claimed to have confronted alleged paedophiles the account said came to “meet an underage kid”, seemingly lured from a dating app. The men appearing in the six short videos were often attempting to flee, or were fighting back against the person filming them.

None of the men in the video had their faces censored but the account had “innocent until proven guilty in a court of law” on the profile. The account user appeared to be based in New South Wales, based on locations in the videos.

The account had more than 3,000 followers and 4,500 likes, and one of the videos had close to 50,000 views before it was removed.

Guardian Australia asked TikTok about the account, and within a day the account was removed from the platform for violating community guidelines.

“As we make clear in our community guidelines, we do not allow content that encourages, promotes, or glorifies risky behaviour,” a spokeswoman for TikTok said.

https://lfpress.com/news/local-news...-say/wcm/52d7dea7-b24e-471e-912d-258fa75003af

 

[Born2Rely]

good decision!

 

[Y2kTheNewOldies]

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-euro...h police chief has,be left to the authorities


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...e-hunts-teens-beat-retired-teacher-death.html

Apparently "Predator Hunting" is not confined to the USA. Now a Predator hunting group lead by teenagers in the Netherlands is under fire for killing a man they accuse of being involved in Child molestation even though thats been proven to be false according to the police records. This comes down to how does Social Media deal with their venues being run by "Anti sexual misconduct vigilantes" while at the same time protecting legit groups like the #metoo movement from being banned. Yes these venues have to turn over the vigilante's records to law enforcement in this case because its a murder and cruelty investigation that this gang is accused of doing. But at the same time you have the lawyers of these vigilantes once they go to court will argue any criticism of this group is "Hero Blaming" and the victim deserved to die based on the allegations. Its better to take the law into your own hands than let law enforcement take charge given that the original victims will not get justice at verdict. Part of that is to drum up public support for the killers though.

A Dutch police chief has called for an end to "paedophile hunting" after a 73-year-old retired teacher was beaten up by teenagers and died of his injuries.

Oscar Dros said there was a risk more people could die and he appealed for justice to be left to the authorities.

The man from the eastern city of Arnhem was lured into having sexual contact with a minor while in a gay chatroom.

Authorities said he was aware the boy was underage. But there was no evidence of past sexual contact with minors.

The Arnhem attack is the latest in a series of 250 incidents involving so-called "paedophile hunters" in the Netherlands, reports say.

What happened in Arnhem
Reports say the group of teenagers had come up with the idea of hunting for a paedophile after reading stories elsewhere in the Netherlands.

The former teacher arrived at an agreed meeting point on 28 October and was then followed as he made his way home. He was beaten up by a group of boys and died later in hospital.

 

[Y2kTheNewOldies]

https://www.bnd.com/news/local/article246480085.html

A metro-east group that posts photos, videos and other information on social media to expose and shame suspected pedophiles is being sued for defamation by a Randolph County man.

Adrian Collins filed a lawsuit in Randolph County Circuit Court last month against KTS Predator Hunters and its founder, Kyle Swanson, of Belleville.

In his complaint, Collins maintains that Swanson posted a Facebook conversation between Collins and someone identified as “Jordan Lane” in June on the KTS Facebook page and falsely called it a “sex trafficking situation,” insinuated that Collins was “grooming” a 14-year-old girl and referred to Collins as “very creepy.”

https://www.13abc.com/2020/10/19/sa...-multiple-suicides-connected-to-sting-videos/

“Local law enforcement agencies and prosecutors of Sandusky County and the City of Fremont cannot and will not sit back anymore and watch as DAP continues to parade its form of vigilante justice,” the letter, released Monday, read. “Its intentions may be well-intended, but their methods and outcomes are improper and unacceptable. The ‘exposed’ individuals may be exactly what DAP says they are, but they also may not be. DAP’s careless and reckless regard for law and order and due process has resulted in the loss of life, and the situation has gotten out of hand.”

Also you have two other Predator hunting groups under fire for defamation and civil rights violations as a result of sting operations

 

[Kelly A]

One of the 'hooks' for QAnon, is to claim that they're fighting child traffic-ing and sexual abuse. After all, who isn't against abuse and exploitation of children? Problem is; in the following breath they claim that Democrats are all part of a giant child sex ring, or that left-wing politicians and celebrities are kidnapping and killing children for their blood, akin to a fountain of youth. So their increasing-in number-crazytown followers recruited from Farsebook, 4Chan, 8Chan, and other boards, are ramping up recruitment and intensity. Is this a First Amendment right for groups like this to draw less than intellectually inquisitive people into this dark organization who has been classified by the FBI as a domestic terrorist organization? Answer; No.

No private or publicly traded company is obligated under the First Amendment to allow these nut-balls to spread whatever disinformation they please.

 

[Y2kTheNewOldies]

One of the 'hooks' for QAnon, is to claim that they're fighting child traffic-ing and sexual abuse. After all, who isn't against abuse and exploitation of children? Problem is; in the following breath they claim that Democrats are all part of a giant child sex ring, or that left-wing politicians and celebrities are kidnapping and killing children for their blood, akin to a fountain of youth. So their increasing-in number-crazytown followers recruited from Farsebook, 4Chan, 8Chan, and other boards, are ramping up recruitment and intensity. Is this a First Amendment right for groups like this to draw less than intellectually inquisitive people into this dark organization who has been classified by the FBI as a domestic terrorist organization? Answer; No.

No private or publicly traded company is obligated under the First Amendment to allow these nut-balls to spread whatever disinformation they please.

Not Just Qanon here. There is a group of convicted teen thugs out of the UK convicted of murder and they used a claim that they accused their murder victim of Sexual Harassment and Misogyny and killed him after they saw his chat records. Note there was an argument that the prosecution made at one point that the Thugs in the UK used "Predator Catching Tactics" to commit robbery on the victim.

Teenage killers bump fists to celebrate brutal murder of man, 29

Danish Mansha, Rimsha Tariq, and Daiyaan Arif, all aged 18, from Birmingham, stabbed a man to death after luring him to a park over sexual messages he had sent to a 17-year-old girl.

www.dailymail.co.uk

'You did not deserve to die' - reaction as man fatally stabbed seven times after messaging girl

Moment killers FIST BUMP after enticing man to park to stab him to death

THIS is the horrifying moment two killers fist bumped after luring a man to a park and stabbing him to death. The chilling CCTV footage shows Danish Mansha and Daiyaan Arif celebrating moments afte…

www.the-sun.com

First pictures of teens jailed over park murder of man who texted girl of 17

Danish Mansha, Rimsha Tariq and Daiyaan Arif lured Sohail Ali to his death

www.birminghammail.co.uk

Birmingham Mail

Evidence was found on their mobile phones and, although some of it had been deleted, the digital forensics team was able to recover some.

Conversations on messaging apps were cross-referenced with those from the victim’s phone to piece together what happened.

The teenage killers were in regular contact with each other in the days leading up to the killing and Tariq continued to chat to Sohail via WhatsApp and Instagram up until half-an-hour before he was killed.

Following their arrests police say the teens refused to answer any questions about what happened, but in light of the forensic evidence – DNA, CCTV and digital – the Crown Prosecution Service authorised a murder change for all three teenagers on the basis of joint enterprise.

Daily

Chilling footage shows two teenage vigilante killers fist-bumping as they celebrated stabbing a man to death after luring him to a park over sexual messages he had sent to a 17-year-old girl.

Danish Mansha, Daiyaan Arif and Rimsha Tariq, now all 18, wanted to 'teach a lesson' to 29-year-old Sohail Ali.

Sentencing them, the judge described them as mounting in a 'naive' vigilante campaign fronted by 17-year-old Tariq.