> Hi,
>
> First of all, thanks for your comments. I'll try to answer
> them as best as I can. What i meant about being too
> limiting is just live365's live broadcasting software. The
> software is called "Studio365" and I find it to be totally
> worthless. I did NOT mean that live programming itself was
> limiting. Maybe you misunderstood me, but the "basic"
> broadcast mode is ONLY something I recommend if the
> broadcaster wants to have a station but does not have a
> full-time internet connection. I totally agree that the
> sound is flat and boring, and even if you get rid of the
> silence between tracks, you'll never meet the quality of a
> live broadcast.
>
> Instead, I recommend broadcasting live with 3rd party
> software. Lots of live broadcasters use SAM, and while I
> have nothing against SAM software, I prefer other automation
> software. I do, however, use SAM's encoder to stream mp3pro
> to Live365.
>
> I was under the impression that Station Playlist was a
> playlist generator. Does it also function as an automation
> system? Whatever automation (player) system you use, there
> are ways to feed the audio into a DSP encoder (shoutcast or
> SAM encoder) to feed it to Live365.
>
> RTL365 is a perl based program that sends ID3 tag into to
> Live365. Live365's Bob Mills wrote the program, and it has
> to be a custom version for each automation system. As Bob
> explained to me, as long as the player generates a log file,
> he can alter RTL365 to work. He currently has several
> versions already working, so depending on what player system
> you use, he may already have the RTL customized. Bob does
> not charge for this program. write bob at this address:
> software at attentionspanradio dot net
>
> About your problem getting into the directory, yes, that's
> because of the new DMCA compliance. However, if you can
> operate legally in Basic Mode, you can certainly operate
> legally in Live mode. It takes a few minutes to be
> re-tested, but there is a button speed that up. Hit the
> "analyzer" button from your broadcaster page, and then
> choose "live/relay" in the drop down box.
>
> If you're not sending ANY ID3 tag info, then you'll never
> get listed. I'm not sure what you're doing now.
>
> I'm not a professional broadcaster on Live365, no.
>
> Send me an email amos at hothitsatlanta dot com and i'll try
> to help, if I can. Just for an FYI, here's how my broadcast
> works...
>
> 1) direttore automation. just a player, no streaming to
> live365. it does create a text log file, RTL365 uses that
> to send ID3 info to Live365's servers. direttore's output
> goes to the line-output of my sound card.
>
> 2) the line-output of my sound card goes to one channel of
> my hardware mixer. i also have other audio inputs feeding
> the mixer, including my microphone processor, telephone
> hybrid, and other computers
>
> 3) mixer output goes to my processors. i use an AGC, a
> multiband processor, and a limiter.
>
> 4) processor output goes to a splitter, one side to the
> monitor input on the mixer so i can hear processed audio in
> my headphones, etc. the other side feeds the line-in on the
> same computer that direttore is on.
>
> 5) winamp is running on that computer, with the "null
> output" plugin and the "line in" plugin. with the
> null-output plugin, there's no audio from winamp going back
> to the soundcard (which would cause feedback) and the
> line-in plugin puts audio from the soundcard's line-in input
> into winamp. then on that winamp i have the SAM encoder
> running..
>
> 6) the sam encoder feeds live365 audio via my internet
> connection.
>
> let me say that most of what i do with hardware could be
> done with software; i just wanted a "real" studio. also,
> you don't have to use direttore, originally i was using
> another instance of winamp as the player. (winamp can have
> more than one player running at one time) i used the winamp
> advanced cross/fading plugin, and liked it ok. direttore
> gives me voice-tracking ability that winamp didn't have.
>
>
> send me an email, if i can help i'll be happy to.
>
> -amos
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Hi Amos, How are you doing. I read your set up and picturing in my mind, it's a similiar set up when i was pirating to a transmitter.
But these days I prefer internetting and it's getting hard to do that in a professional manner. Since the DCMA was enforced with Live365.Ican't get on the directory.
My current set up is a custom made computer for streaming purposes only. I have 2 computers, the Dell is for monitoring, web site, emailing (what I'm doing now), and I use it to monitor my station off of radio365.
What I use is a Asus mother board, connected to a wired router. My input and output audio is connected to my Logic-tech Z-5500 computer speakers for room monitoring. For $257.00...they sound practically as good as my power towers.
On my Asus board, that's where I have station Playlist studio. That automatically generates the songs. My playlist creator generates the playlist and rotations that I pre-programmed to the Playlist studio. I have an external hard drive which is my E:drive that has all of my music files and wav & mp3.
That feeds my playlist creator to my playlist studio to generate and play the playlist and files.
From there it I have sound solution stacked on along to shoutcast and winamp to my station playlist studio player.
Then studio 365 is hooked up with the given IP address and port number which sends out a Live stream .
My problem is that it still streams live......but I can't get on the directory of Live365 without a metadata system.
Instead, I recommend broadcasting live with 3rd party software. Lots of live broadcasters use SAM, and while I have nothing against SAM software, I prefer other automation software. I do, however, use SAM's encoder to stream mp3pro to Live365.
Is that what you only use to stream the audio, to studio live365 2.3 ? Will it pick up the ID tags for the metadata.
I was under the impression that Station Playlist was a playlist generator. Does it also function as an automation system? Whatever automation (player) system you use, there are ways to feed the audio into a DSP encoder (shoutcast or SAM encoder) to feed it to Live365.
I do feed it to shoutcast, but it seems like Live 365 isn't compatible even when win amp preferences > title> along with the given info put it inthe formula Live 365 assigns to 3rd party systems. expl. $if 2([%artist%-title% etc. .....you input in theslot and still no metadata info. Only way that works if I manually input the files one by one in the extras of the studio 365 2.3. Then it catches my to the directory for several hours. But I have to keep updating it all the time.
RTL365 is a perl based program that sends ID3 tag into to Live365. Live365's Bob Mills wrote the program, and it has to be a custom version for each automation system. As Bob explained to me, as long as the player generates a log file, he can alter RTL365 to work. He currently has several versions already working, so depending on what player system you use, he may already have the RTL customized. Bob does not charge for this program. write bob at this address: software at attentionspanradio dot net
That might be the saint I need. I can stream live, I just can't stream live to the directory where anyone can find me because of lack of info/title and artist. Station Playlist does generate a log file.
About your problem getting into the directory, yes, that's because of the new DMCA compliance. However, if you can operate legally in Basic Mode, you can certainly operate legally in Live mode. It takes a few minutes to be re-tested, but there is a button speed that up. Hit the "analyzer" button from your broadcaster page, and then choose "live/relay" in the drop down box.
But doesn't that only work for basic? I'll have to look at that again. It will work in the basic mode as long as I load up my files according to how much bandwidth I purchased........but it will not take my live stream info automatically.
If you're not sending ANY ID3 tag info, then you'll never get listed. I'm not sure what you're doing now.
And that's what I'm trying to do......but what can I use that will work between my station playlist and studio 365 2.3 streamer? And why my shoutcast won't connect no matter what or how I try to get the ID 3 tag info to decode.
I'm not a professional broadcaster on Live365, no.
Send me an email amos at hothitsatlanta dot com and i'll try to help, if I can. Just for an FYI, here's how my broadcast works...
1) direttore automation. just a player, no streaming to live365. it does create a text log file, RTL365 uses that to send ID3 info to Live365's servers. direttore's output goes to the line-output of my sound card.
2) the line-output of my sound card goes to one channel of my hardware mixer. i also have other audio inputs feeding the mixer, including my microphone processor, telephone hybrid, and other computers
How do you actually and what do you use to hook up the computer soundcard and the mixer. Like I said, I'm all software.
3) mixer output goes to my processors. i use an AGC, a multiband processor, and a limiter.
It's like a DBX box.?
4) processor output goes to a splitter, one side to the monitor input on the mixer so i can hear processed audio in my headphones, etc. the other side feeds the line-in on the same computer that direttore is on.
I'm starting to get it. But I'm still picturing it in my mind.
5) winamp is running on that computer, with the "null output" plugin and the "line in" plugin. with the null-output plugin, there's no audio from winamp going back to the soundcard (which would cause feedback) and the line-in plugin puts audio from the soundcard's line-in input into winamp. then on that winamp i have the SAM encoder running..
Now that's what I can do with my OTS player and DBX box and mixer. (As fas as hardware concern). I wish there is a schematic on that.
6) the sam encoder feeds live365 audio via my internet connection.
let me say that most of what i do with hardware could be done with software; i just wanted a "real" studio. also, you don't have to use direttore, originally i was using another instance of winamp as the player. (winamp can have more than one player running at one time) i used the winamp advanced cross/fading plugin, and liked it ok. direttore gives me voice-tracking ability that winamp didn't have.
Step by step instructions (software would be great, but I'm also equipped for hardware which I can use my Ots Player and my DBX box.
Playlist creator does a better job, because it's more compatible with plug ins then the Ots and does have VT capabilities.
send me an email, if i can help i'll be happy to.
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> > > With Live365 you can either upload your mp3 files to
> their
> > > server, and start a program running in "basic" mode, or
> > > broadcast live from your location using either Live365's
>
> > > software or other software applications. I wouldn't
> > > recommend Live365's live broadcasting software; it's too
>
> > > limiting.
> > >
> >
> >
> > You seem to hit the raw nerve about live programming.
> > Limiting. How limiting is it? I've been experiencing how
> to
> > get my Station Playlist auto software to be compatible
> with
> > their encoding software via shoutcast.
> >
> >
> > > The basic (not live) mode is very basic, no crossfading
> or
> >
> > > anything but sequential files. If you clean the silence
>
> > > from beginning and quick fade the end of your mp3 files,
>
> > you
> > > can make a decent sounding station. But basic's true
> > > advantage is not having to have a full-time internet
> > > connection.
> > >
> >
> > The results from that....dull flat sound, along with 1-3
> > second pauses in between the music, and blah attention
> > span.
> >
> > > I currently broadcast live, using third party software.
>
> > > (SAM encoder, Direttore automation, RTL365 to send ID3
> tag
> >
> > > into to Live365's servers)
> >
> > This is where you might help me.....first of all, what is
> a
> > RTL 365? (I know it's sends ID3 tags) but what I meant to
> > ask, does it work or compatible with any third party
> > software. Does it only work with the SAM. And can I use
> the
> > SAM encoder with the Station Playlist automation studio
> > player.
> > >
> > > A plus is being included in the Live365 directory,
> because
> > a
> > > new stream takes a while to get noticed by potential
> > > listeners.
> > >
> > That's been my minus the past 3 weeks. I can't seem to
> get
> > on the directory at all unless I upload my files manually
> > and indvidually for Live mode.. Who has the time and
> > patience for that. I wish their was another way with my
> > situation.
> > Live 365 doesn't seem to recognize my ID files unless I
> just
> > use basic mode. Not in Live mode with the Station
> Playlist.
> >
> > > I started there in 2000, and although I've been tempted
> to
> >
> > > find another venue from time to time, I've been mostly
> > > satisfied.
> > >
> > I was satisfied until this DCMA rule was enforced. And for
>
> > my professional taste, the classic CD changer software is
> > not up my alley. I'm trying to stay in a league of
> stations
> > that sound like yours.
> >
> > You see in my situation, is there any seperate plug-in
> > metadata encoders that work with any auto software that
> > connects with Live 365 streaming?
> >
> > > I've gone from under 2 listening at the beginning to
> over
> > > 1300 peak during the days just prior to "listener caps."
>
> > > Currently, Live365 broadcasters pay for "slots" for
> > > listeners, or VIP listeners can pay for their own "all
> > > access pass." I pay for 200 slots, and usually peak at
> a
> > > bit over 300 including VIP listeners.
> > >
> >
> > Are you a professional broadcaster of LIVE 365?
> >
> > > And although I don't have Mac experience, I do know
> > > broadcasters that use Macintosh on Live365, so it's
> > > possible.
> > >
> >
> > It is Mac compatible. But for someone to spend over $3299
> on
> > a G5 server, to soundlike a basic flat mode CD
> > changer.....stick with your IPOD.
> >
> > > Good luck
> > >
> > > amos
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > Has anyone on this board taken the time to write a
> "How
> > To
> > >
> > > > Internet Stream" PDF with actual case studies & actual
>
> > set
> > >
> > > > ups & research into programs/equipment? I just started
>
> > > > reading this board and have always had in the back of
> my
> >
> > > > mind that I would like to do a 24/7 stream but have
> > always
> > >
> > > > been put off by who to pay (I never did get answers
> from
> >
> > > the
> > > > FCC or RIAA) & what to buy I'm a Mac guy so it would
> be
> >
> > > > different than most)& where to put it (my own server
> or
> > > > Live365, etc). Or if you haven't catalogued your own
> > > > research are there any books you recommend. Thanks.
> > > > Jim
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
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