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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeffrey View Post
    New York has often been called a godless city. The fact that New York has a full powered christian rocker is a bit odd given the market. It likely won't pull in more than PLJ but I doubt that's their primary objective.
    Pull in what? Trying to measure the 'success' of K-Love against the performance of a commercial station is meaningless. You guys act like EMF is a bunch of bumbling idiots. Regardless of what you or I personally feel about the format, they are shrewd operators who know what they are doing when it comes to furthering their mission.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeffrey View Post
    New York has often been called a godless city..
    On the contrary, hundreds of New Yorker's have opened "churches" in their private homes........

    One thing we have become --a GOP-less city.

    LCG

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    Quote Originally Posted by luperm View Post
    Pull in what? Trying to measure the 'success' of K-Love against the performance of a commercial station is meaningless. You guys act like EMF is a bunch of bumbling idiots. Regardless of what you or I personally feel about the format, they are shrewd operators who know what they are doing when it comes to furthering their mission.
    that's exactly my point. Not sure how you're reading it.
    I'm a sinner and I like it that way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by L Chanon Gade View Post
    On the contrary, hundreds of New Yorker's have opened "churches" in their private homes........
    Good examples of the freedom of religion and the freedom of expression and the right of assembly.

    One thing we have become --a GOP-less city.
    Having lived in one-party systems (a state generally referred to as a "dictatorship" or, in some parts of the world, a kingdom ) I can say that all the above freedoms and many more disintegrate or disappear very rapidly when there is no system of point / counterpoint in governing.
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    Good examples of the freedom of religion and the freedom of expression and the right of assembly.
    HA! David, these are tax scams –nothing more. There have been articles written and complaints from local property owners complaining about their taxes going up as a result. Nothing is, or will be done.

    In New York City the effects of this are less due to the size of the overall tax base, but the scope of this loss of revenue is still startling. Read: https://www.lohud.com/story/news/inv...ions/91480030/

    “Having lived in one-party systems (a state generally referred to as a "dictatorship" or, in some parts of the world, a kingdom ) I can say that all the above freedoms and many more disintegrate or disappear very rapidly when there is no system of point / counterpoint in governing.”

    ..And most of those dictatorships were installed and backed by the U.S. --all in the name of commerce and anti-communism.

    Most of my friends are from Latin America. They know this history. It is a miracle they don’t hate the United States, but they don’t.

    The decline of the gop in NY is the direct result of their stabbing average, working people in the back for decades. That sick mess in the White House was merely the Coup de gras.

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    Quote Originally Posted by L Chanon Gade View Post
    HA! David, these are tax scams –nothing more. There have been articles written and complaints from local property owners complaining about their taxes going up as a result. Nothing is, or will be done.
    Abuse of freedoms is part of the cost of being free. Overall, the system is better than anything created in any other country in this solar system.

    ..And most of those dictatorships were installed and backed by the U.S. --all in the name of commerce and anti-communism.
    Actually, they weren't. In several cases, the influence was Cuban, Russian or Chinese. I had to read Das Kapital to even understand some of them.

    Most of my friends are from Latin America. They know this history. It is a miracle they don’t hate the United States, but they don’t.
    Actually, the hatred of the US is very strong in much of Latin America. Some is envy, some is ideology.

    That said, there is a heritage of the Monroe Doctrine which originated to keep the influences of European colonial powers in check, but which became overly paternalistic over time. But blaming the US for the simple fact that many nations had a history of government instability, rivalries, coup d'etats and revolutions is simplistic. But simplistic explanations seem to take precedent among those who don't study history a deeper level.
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    “Abuse of freedoms is part of the cost of being free. Overall, the system is better than anything created in any other country in this solar system. ‘

    I wouldn’t go so far as the solar system, but agreed.

    “Actually, they weren't. In several cases, the influence was Cuban, Russian or Chinese. I had to read Das Kapital to even understand some of them. “

    You’ve put the cart before the horse. Those insurgencies were the result of the way those people had been treated. The idea that “godless communism” could have a foothold in that region is appalling –until you know the circumstances.


    ”That said, there is a heritage of the Monroe Doctrine which originated to keep the influences of European colonial powers in check, but which became overly paternalistic over time.”

    That was simply a tool used to protect the business interests of wealthy foreigners and the hacienda class.

    “But blaming the US for the simple fact that many nations had a history of government instability, rivalries, coup d'etats and revolutions is simplistic. “

    --Many of which were engineered by the U.S. and other outside interests for the above reasons

    “But simplistic explanations seem to take precedent among those who don't study history a deeper level.”

    Forgive me, David, but that line is always used to deflect criticism of what went on down there by implying the critic “doesn’t understand” . It is B.S.

    LCG

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    Quote Originally Posted by DavidEduardo View Post
    Actually, the hatred of the US is very strong in much of Latin America. Some is envy, some is ideology.
    Having had Latin American relatives through marriage, that's been my experience. Even the ones who moved here and passed hard work and responsibility-based values on to their families still pledged a blind allegiance to the idea of socialism and a resistance to the supposed unfairness and unequal outcomes of a free society. It must be genetic.

    Since we're dealing in gross generalities, it's been said that former British colonies have done a better job resisting corruption than former Spanish colonies. That appears to be the case with South and Latin America. Venezuela got to where it's at through voter choice.
    We currently have endemic political corruption in Washington DC that, if not hard-checked, will accelerate our slide toward banana republic. Those with kids and grand-kids should realize that they have a direct interest in seeing that this is fixed.

    K-Love is not the enemy here.
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    Please refrain from making political statements on this website.
    We are about broadcasting ... not politics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JBraddock View Post

    K-Love is not the enemy here.
    And that is the real point of the discussion. The opponents of the EMF system seem to also be opponents of religion, organized or otherwise and the system that allows non-profit organizations to operate religious free of many taxes.

    If we go at this issue from a legal perspective, we can see that what EMF is doing is totally within the systems of the FCC and Federal and state regulations.

    EMF began expanding by using the condition of translator rules that allows translators of non-commercial stations to operate outside the coverage areas of primary stations that originate the programming they carry. Those existing conditions let non-commercial operators also program from a central location with no local studio and operational offices.

    Both states and the national government allow many kinds of entities to operate as tax-free non-profit organizations. These range from churches to universities to hospitals to thrift shops to "think tanks" and the like. In fact, about the only kind of activity that can not be operated as a non-profit is the area of political organizations which have rather different regulations.

    So from the perspective of the FCC, what EMF does is legal just as it is for any other non-commercial operation ranging from college stations to public radio groups and community organizations representing ethnic and lifestyle minority groups

    And the tax-free status of a religious organization is guaranteed across state and Federal jurisdictions.

    So the only difference between EMF and other non-commercial operators is religion.

    If Minnesota Public Radio buys a local station and puts it in its statewide network, thus displacing some local staff, it's OK. If a labor union buys a commercial frequency and takes it non-commercial and lets go the staff of the commercial group, it is OK. But let EMF do it under the protection of the same rules and regulations, it is somehow wrong. Again, the only difference is religion.

    I understand the distinction. What I don't get is the antagonism, as if K-love with its format of Christian oriented music and little tidbits of scripture, were an endangerment for our country.
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