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Thread: Why is KCBS AM in San Francisco but KCBS TV is in Los Angeles?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RadioPatrol View Post
    What is the guy talking about? KNTV has always been licensed by the FCC to San Jose since previous owners/leadership ran KNTV back when Channel 11 was an contract ABC affiliate.

    Also KICU aka KTVU+ a Fox Owned station has the city of License to San Jose even though its offices are in Oakland though.

    KQEH aka KQED+ a PBS Affiliate has its city of License as San Jose because of FCC license even though its offices are in San Francisco.

    Well KABC7 a Disney O&O has a city of License of Los Angeles even though its offices are in Glendale and Disneys CEO and Board office is in Burbank.

    KOVR CBS 13 has its city of License in Stockton even though its Offices are in West Sacramento. And so on.

    I'm not sure how the media critic in question claimed marketing ploy though for city of License.
    The city of license/broadcasting facility/transmitter thing used to confuse me, too. In the 70's, I dated a woman who worked at (then) "KRE, Berkeley" - now KBLX - and it was simple - studios on the Berkeley waterfront, transmitter outside the window. Then I found out that "KFRC, San Francisco" used the same broadcasting tower in the Berkeley bay mud. When KYLD was on 107.7, their city of license was San Mateo, but they broadcast from San Francisco. The KGO, San Francisco transmitter is in the SF Bay mud near Palo Alto. So I get the concept of "city of license" but also understand why it confuses people.

    RE: KNTV. What that Chronicle Tv critic was forgetting was that for many years, KNTV was truly a local San Jose station - first as a secondary ABC affiliate in the Bay Area (to KGO-TV), then later as an independent. When KRON 4 sold in 2002 or so, and NBC lost the negotiation for the station (to dumb-ass Young TV), they bought KNTV for the purpose of turning it into a Bay Area station, as it was the only NBC affiliate. In fact, they moved their transmitter to Mt. San Bruno between SF and Daly City, though "San Ho" (as some locals call it) remains the city of license.

    "KTVU, Oakland" makes sense because it has always been licensed to Oakland, and also has their broadcast facilities there - on Jack London Square.

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    It hasn't gotten any easier or simpler with all of the move-ins and various other changes that have taken place. The main thing is that every move a station makes, in terms of where the studio is, where the transmitter is, and where the tower is, needs FCC approval. That means paperwork has to be filled out, it has to meet technical standards, the station's legal representation has to approve it, and the FCC Media Bureau has to approve it. Every step of the way.

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    KCAL Radio San Bernardino and KCAL-TV Los Angeles always had different owners and different City of License.

    However I'm not sure when the rule for different owners to use the same call letters took into effect.

    I know CBS was allowed to use the KCBS calls for Los Angeles TV and KCBS calls for San Francisco radio though since 1984 though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RadioPatrol View Post
    KCAL Radio San Bernardino and KCAL-TV Los Angeles always had different owners and different City of License.

    However I'm not sure when the rule for different owners to use the same call letters took into effect.

    I know CBS was allowed to use the KCBS calls for Los Angeles TV and KCBS calls for San Francisco radio though since 1984 though.
    But as stated, both KCBS's have the same owner. An example of same calls/different owner happened when Disney sold off their radio stations, so KABC and KGO radio became Citadel owned stations, but the call letters stayed on the Disney ABC owned TV stations. WABC too, I imagine, and probably some others.

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    http://articles.latimes.com/1989-12-...ern-california

    Here is the article of the time Disney launched KCAL-TV at the time it noted that Disney had to pay an undisclosed royalty fee to the 1989 owners of KCAL-AM and KCAL-FM for KCAL-TV to start. Note I'm not sure if this royalty fee is still true today given that KCAL-TV and KCAL Radio have gone through ownership changes over the past three decades. Most Notably KCAL-TV has changed owners from Disney, Young and CBS.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KCAL-FM

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KCAL_(AM)



    KHJ-TV, the station that brought Southern California viewers everything from Elvira, Mistress of the Dark, to a live call-in show with local politicians to the Lakers' new Yugoslav center Vlade Divac reciting a station identification in his native tongue, lives no more. On Saturday, the Walt Disney Co.'s first and only television station will change its name and call letters to "KCAL, California 9."

    "In our research, KHJ, after all these years on the air, had a non-entity image," said Blake Byrne, Channel 9's president and general manager. "And we decided we would like to have a name that at least had the potential to create a positive image."

    Since Disney took control of KHJ-TV last December after buying the troubled station from RKO for $320 million, the station has seemingly been intent on severing all ties to the past. Longtime general manager Chuck Velona was ousted, as were veteran news director Stephanie Rank Brady, news anchors Wendy Gordon, Tom Lawrence and Lonnie Lardner and sportscaster Scott St. James. Walt Baker, Channel 9's vice president of programming, who had been with the station since 1967, resigned last month.

    Changing its name and logo apparently exorcises the last ghost from Los Angeles' perennially last-place VHF TV station, which, before the Disney sale was consummated, had been in trouble for more than 20 years because of a licensing dispute between its parent, RKO, and the Federal Communications Commission. Those problems had forced the station to air an unusually large amount of public-affairs programming, which contributed to its dismal ratings.

    "KHJ was known as such a rag for so many years, this change might make the people at the station feel good," said Rick Feldman, station manager at KCOP Channel 13. "But odds are it doesn't mean anything in terms of adding viewership. It didn't mean anything for KNXT to become KCBS (in April, 1984). This is not going to change a thing. It's a non-issue."

    Byrne said that the station looked at lists of new call letters before settling on KCAL. Two radio stations in Redlands already were using those letters, however, so, Byrne said, KHJ paid them a "large (undisclosed) fee" for permission to use them too.

    "We thought (KCAL) was terrific," Byrne said. "California is what we're all about."

    The thinking, Byrne continued, is that the new name will give the station a more local flavor. Since KTLA Channel 5 and KLAC-AM (570) already had Los Angeles in their names, "California 9" was the next best thing.

    "Southern Californians and Northern Californians all identify themselves as Californians," Byrne said. "It ties into the self-image we would like to have. I would hope that it would help people in all of Southern California--in Riverside and San Bernardino and Orange County as well as L.A.--to identify with the station."

    The station first went on the air experimentally in 1931 as Don Lee Television's W6XAO. It became KHJ in 1951. The call letters, one ex-employee said, stood for kindness, happiness and joy. The latter was often difficult to muster in the years before the sale to Disney.

    "We had to be more innovative than would normally be expected because of the lack of financial support that we had," former program director Baker said Thursday. "RKO was spending a ton of money on lawyers in a gigantic battle to save the license. At one point for more than a year we had at least one Washington attorney in the building at all times and I was flying to Washington every other week. And even with all of that we managed to present a pretty good front."

    KHJ started "The Million Dollar Movie" and, with a couple of "Elvira" specials, was the first station in the city to broadcast in 3-D. The station was home for "Groovy," "Boss City" and "The Real Don Steele Show" as well as the annual "Your Choice for the Oscars." "Government on the Line" enabled viewers to call in and talk directly to local and state politicians. A "Save Our Sports" telethon, Baker said, was instrumental in saving the sports programs at Los Angeles city schools in the wake of Proposition 13.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RadioPatrol View Post
    Here is the article of the time Disney launched KCAL-TV at the time it noted that Disney had to pay an undisclosed royalty fee to the 1989 owners of KCAL-AM and KCAL-FM for KCAL-TV to start. Note I'm not sure if this royalty fee is still true today given that KCAL-TV and KCAL Radio have gone through ownership changes over the past three decades.
    The article does not say "royalty fee". It just says "fee". I've worked on a couple of call letter sharing deals, and usually the "fee" is a one-time payment to get the current user of the call letters to grant consent before the FCC for another licensee in another service to use the calls also. Pay the fee, get the FCC call change and no further payments.
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