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    http://www.uhftelevision.com/articles/wnet.html

    WNET-TV originally used for a Rhode Island TV Station prior to being used For a PBS affiliate in New York.

    Note the New York version of WNET Stood for Channel 13's previous affiliation National Education Television NET. But for Rhode Island its more on the general programming side.

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    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/KFOX-TV

    Yes KFOX-TV is located in El Paso, TX and is owned by Sinclair. I'm amazed that when Fox Took Over the former MetroMedia stations in New York and Los Angeles I'm amazed that Fox never reserved the KFOX Call Letters for KTTV Fox 11 or WNYW Fox5 in NYC with the WFOX Call Letters.

    But then again when Fox came out in the late 1980's and early 1990's it was unknown if Fox was going to be successful network at the time. Until the NFL Came to Fox the network's future was uncertain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KML-224 View Post
    Also worth noting: Channel 30 of New Britain, CT was WNBC-TV before New York City was. You can guess what the letters meant in our case. The station, oddly enough, has always been a primary NBC affiliate since its 1953 sign on. It's still licensed to New Britain today (with a West Hartford studio and a Farmington transmitter).
    But the calls did not become WNBC until after NBC itself bought it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RadioPatrol View Post
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/KFOX-TV

    Yes KFOX-TV is located in El Paso, TX and is owned by Sinclair. I'm amazed that when Fox Took Over the former MetroMedia stations in New York and Los Angeles I'm amazed that Fox never reserved the KFOX Call Letters for KTTV Fox 11 or WNYW Fox5 in NYC with the WFOX Call Letters.

    But then again when Fox came out in the late 1980's and early 1990's it was unknown if Fox was going to be successful network at the time. Until the NFL Came to Fox the network's future was uncertain.
    I'm sure the real reason is that KFOX were already established call letters that had nothing to do with 20th Century Fox, which is where, after all, that Rupert Murdoch and News Corp got the "Fox" branding. It's not like News Corp could just "reserve" the call letters for their own use, and steal them from the former owner. I recall that when I was a kid, there was a "KFOX" AM radio station in the LA market - out of Long Beach, IIRC - and it played country music.

    Until recently, there was a "K-Fox" FM station in the Bay Area, though I believe the calls were "KKFX" or similar.

    Similar story, which may be apocryphal. When Bay Area radio maverick James Gabbert decided to become a TV broadcaster in the 80's, and bought broken down independent Channel 20, he wanted to buy the KFRC call letters from RKO General, the owners of KFRC AM radio. RKO declined the offer.

    So it's not like News Corp could just grab the KFOX calls without some work, red tape, and $$$. Also, KTTV is a heritage LA station, and to some extent, "KTTV" had some value to viewers in the 80's.

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    Similar situation in Boston with the Entercom/CBS merger. Before, CBS owned WBZ-TV, WBZ-FM (Sports Talk), and WBZ-AM (News). Since Boston was one of the hotspots to fix in order for the merger to go through, stations had to be sold or traded. Now, CBS owns WBZ-TV, iHeart owns WBZ-AM, and Beasley owns WBZ-FM. All in the same market, but still interesting all the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Least View Post
    Similar situation in Boston with the Entercom/CBS merger.
    BTW CBS controls the calls, and the other stations have a marketing arrangement with CBS to continue to use them. All of the heritage CBS radio stations have that agreement. Otherwise, they'd have to apply for new calls. This happened in NYC where Disney has WABC-TV, but sold WABC-AM to Citadel. Citadel can still use the calls under agreement with Disney. On the other side, when NBC sold off their radio stations, they kept WRC-TV in Washington, but the buyer had to reapply for call letters and was granted WWRC-AM.

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    http://www.khjradio.com/khj-history/

    Yes 93 KHJ has been a CHR/HotAC station in American Samoa for two decades. It's amazing that they have been more legendary in American Samoa than in Los Angeles.

    93KHJ Los Angeles as a Top 40 station only lasted for 15 years though. But then again at the time 93 KHJ was started in American Samoa, RKO General became a defunct company after the license disputes with the FCC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RadioPatrol View Post
    http://www.khjradio.com/khj-history/

    Yes 93 KHJ has been a CHR/HotAC station in American Samoa for two decades. It's amazing that they have been more legendary in American Samoa than in Los Angeles.

    93KHJ Los Angeles as a Top 40 station only lasted for 15 years though. But then again at the time 93 KHJ was started in American Samoa, RKO General became a defunct company after the license disputes with the FCC.
    Note that the legal call letters for the American Samoa station are "KKHJ-FM." 93.1 FM. The station would not have been able to use the actual "KHJ" call letters, because they remain at 930 AM - in Los Angeles, regardless of the defunkedness of RKO General.

    Clearly, the Samoan station is meant as an homage to the legendary LA Boss Radio station, but "93/KHJ" is their branding, not their call letters, much as "Power 106" is the branding for KPWR - 105.9 FM, or "Jack-FM" is the branding for KCBS-FM. While station owners like to obtain call letters to reflect the brand, there are as many exceptions. For example, here in the Bay Area we have "Star 101.3, call letters KIOI because it used to be K-101. "Alt 105" is KITS because it was "Hot Hits Kits" about 3 decades ago. "99.7 Now" is KMVQ because it had the Movin' format for about 2 minutes back in the late 00s. "98.1 The Breeze" has the calls KISQ because it was "Kiss-FM" for a long time. And to take it back to "Kevin Bacon" - KCBS San Francisco's FM repeater on 106.9 FM still has the KFRC call letters.

    Pretty much nobody but us radio nerds cares about call letters these days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LKellerIII View Post
    I'm sure the real reason is that KFOX were already established call letters that had nothing to do with 20th Century Fox, which is where, after all, that Rupert Murdoch and News Corp got the "Fox" branding. It's not like News Corp could just "reserve" the call letters for their own use, and steal them from the former owner. I recall that when I was a kid, there was a "KFOX" AM radio station in the LA market - out of Long Beach, IIRC - and it played country music.

    Until recently, there was a "K-Fox" FM station in the Bay Area, though I believe the calls were "KKFX" or similar.

    Similar story, which may be apocryphal. When Bay Area radio maverick James Gabbert decided to become a TV broadcaster in the 80's, and bought broken down independent Channel 20, he wanted to buy the KFRC call letters from RKO General, the owners of KFRC AM radio. RKO declined the offer.

    So it's not like News Corp could just grab the KFOX calls without some work, red tape, and $$$. Also, KTTV is a heritage LA station, and to some extent, "KTTV" had some value to viewers in the 80's.
    And the WFOX call letters were on a COX owned radio station in Atlanta, GA. When they flipped formats and branding COX sent the WFOX call letters to their Classic Rocker 95.9 The FOX in the Norwalk/Stamford Market in CT. They had been WEFX. The station is now owned by Connoisseur Media.

    And WDIS belonged to a small daytime only station on 1170-AM in Eastern Massachusetts. They went dark and turned in their license. I don't know why Disney never offered to buy the WDIS call letters from this little AM station to replace the WQEW call letters on 1560 Radio Disney in NYC. Today it's Family Radio WFME.
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    I find it interesting with all this talk about call letters, LA rarely uses the complete calls on any news stations, except for KTLA and KCAL, though KCAL is basically KCBS. It is ABC7, NBC4, CBS2, Fox11, etc. and has been that way for decades. I wonder if some stations may revert to "full" calls at some point, as the network becomes less important to the local news product.

    From a radio perspective, LA of course still has KABC, but like many old AM's is not performing like it once did. KNX-AM is a brand alone, and is known all over SoCal at the news station, still owned by CBS/Entercom.

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