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Thoughts?

Here's some raw meat for ya....

With the changes at KMPS and the state of radio today, could this, the very things we have been talking about on this board for years (return to jingles, local control, older skewing music formats, high personality) be the radio of the future?

One radio pro seems to thinks so.

https://garyberk.com/newsletter
 
Part of me would like to think so. But radio chases money, and we all know where all the money is. And so long as the big advertising agencies in NYC drive programming (programmers cater to the demos that the advertisers crave, because that is where the money is), radio will stay the way it is until OTA radio disappears off the face of the earth.

But I'm just a listener anymore (I worked in different parts of the industry for 19 years... but not in programming or anything official like that), so what do I know?

Interesting reading, regardless.
 
With the changes at KMPS and the state of radio today, could this, the very things we have been talking about on this board for years (return to jingles, local control, older skewing music formats, high personality) be the radio of the future?

For as much as I'd like to say I agree with Gary's predictions, I can't. Like me, Gary is someone who came up through the business and made a good living doing so through the heydays. The fact remains that radio in particular, is no longer the only game in town as it was in the heydays, nor will it ever be in the same position of dominance ever again. Radio will/is just another business competing for consumers ears, and will need to continue adjustments to survive accordingly.

Being a part-owner of a few smaller local radio stations myself, it's becoming harder and harder to stay relevant, even in smaller communities, local focus or not. Business that would normally advertise on radio, now choose to advertise or use social media like Facebook, mainly because they can get more in front of potential customers than more expensive radio.

For right or wrong, back in 1996 Clear Channel helped cast the mold for the way radio stations can be viable, even in smaller communities. The goal shifted into creating a loyal listener/radio ad base, to individual companies owning the radio listening in the market, and programming a stable of stations to own that market. The model isn't new. Successful companies that sell cars, own several dealerships that own multiple brands. Food companies like Nestle, own a dozen or more other food brands. Anymore, best way to be successful in any business, is to own as big a chunk of the market as possible. The days of local mom-and-pop single stations trying to program for a broad range of listening tastes, are over.
 
It's an interesting list, and it's coming from a boomer who admittedly is a specialist in radio that reaches 25-54, and would like to see a return to the way radio was when he was younger. He's not the first boomer consultant who's come up with such a list. There are lots of them. It's really a wish list. The problem with their list is it's all predicated on money. You can't hire quality local talent without money. You can't program to teens or retirees without money. So the key point in his list is monetizing those demographics. If you can do that, you can do anything.

Here's the problem with turning radio into a local medium: All the main advertisers are national. Fifty years ago, every town was built on local business. Local department stores, local hardware stores, local grocery stores, local restaurants, and other local retail like barber and beauty shops. Today you have WalMart, Home Depot, Safeway, Chili's, Hair Cuttery, and all the other national chains. The big problem is all the advertising for those chains is done nationally. If I'm a radio salesman, and I go to my local Home Depot looking for advertising, they will direct me to their agency in Atlanta. Same with all the other national stores. So that leaves only local small business for advertising. That means the local pizza shop (as opposed to Papa John), the local barber, the local doctor, lawyer, and other small business. The problem with them is they don't have big ad budgets, or experienced ad agencies. They really don't know what they're doing with regards to buying radio ads. That could be an area where the local station could help, because the station has experienced ad writers and production staff. But there isn't enough local money to fund those people, because national retail has become so big. So any radio station that becomes totally dependent on local advertising isn't going to have the kind of revenue it takes to do the things Gary wants to do. You need some national money. So that is the weakness in Gary's predictions. You need both national and local, and that's what the big radio companies have become. They realize they need to invest in local talent and staff to attract that local money. But they need the national safety net to provide a base level of revenue. It's not a one-or-the-other thing.

Having said all that, Seattle is a different market from other similar sized cities. Just last year, the people of Seattle raised enough money to buy a local non-commercial radio station from a college (KPLU) and keep it the way it was, rather than have it get bought by the state. You don't see that in many other places. You also have a local billionaire who has funded a combination radio station and museum (KEXP). Consider if other local billionaires used some of their personal fortune to buy radio. That's how local radio was done 50 years ago. But they don't do that now. Instead Bezos buys the Washington Post. Other billionaires buy sports teams or make technology investments. But if that money was being used for local radio, it's possible that what Gary is predicting could happen in Seattle. People make the difference. If national companies like iHeart or Entercom or Hubbard don't buy radio stations any more, who is going to buy them? Why was all the speculation about the CBS spin offs focused on Hubbard or Bonneville, and not local-based companies or entrepreneurs? That was the opportunity for what Gary is predicting to happen, and it didn't. So in order for the first point in his list to happen, there has to be interest in someone local to buy radio stations. Given what we've seen in the last few years, with the sale of Fisher and CBS Radio, it's obvious that there is no market for local ownership. If that doesn't happen, then most of the rest of Gary's list can't happen.
 
This is an interesting discussion. I don't remember how, but somehow I got on this topic with a Lyft driver a couple weeks ago. I've been to a couple events this year that might have advertised on radio several years ago, but now have adds on Facebook. I wonder if companies are going to find other creative ways to advertise?
Does anyone remember hearing about Slide the City having to cancel an event here a couple summers ago? There was no advertising for that initially on radio, but I heard about the cancelation that way, and it got me interested. If they come back, you can bet that's where I will be on the day they're here. I'm not really sure how stations can make any money off that, but can they make anything off the next scenario?
It's a warm Sunday afternoon in July, and I'm sitting at my computer. I don't remember what I was doing, maybe I was even reading this board. I was listening to WJBQ from Portland, Maine when a spot advertising the Insane Inflatable 5K came on. I hit the website, and decide it's something I want to do, but at the time no Seattle date had been announced. They've been to Seattle a couple times since, but I haven't done it because of some other issues. The point being though, could a company like Townsquare who owns both II5K and WJBQ use the strategy of online adds on their stations to get more participation at events in markets where they don't have stations?
 
The point being though, could a company like Townsquare who owns both II5K and WJBQ use the strategy of online adds on their stations to get more participation at events in markets where they don't have stations?

They do that with their Taste of Country Festival, which is located near Buffalo, but is marketed on all of their country stations.
 
Even though I have far from anything close to BigA's expertise, I agree with what he says. I work for a small business, and we looked into radio advertising. I was the one who checked into the idea for my employer.

For local radio advertising to be effective, you have to have more than just a spot or two. To get listener recognition you have to have a week, or month's worth of spots for the listener to be able to notice your ad, your company, your phone number etc. It's just the way it works, and it's logical that it works that way. So although a minute of airtime may seem affordable to your average small business, actually if you want your money to actually work you're going to want a series of ads in certain dayparts.

The people at both stations I contacted said they had a good track record of companies getting more business through advertising on their station, but the costs of advertising, using a success oriented plan, were just too high for my employer's budget. My employer would have to have borrowed money, and they just weren't willing to do that at the time.

It can cost several thousand dollars off the top to advertise on a local station -- even one that isn't top rated. Not every business has that kind of money or financing available.

During the recession I met a guy who runs a local business. He had a huge advertising presence in the metro. When the recession hit, his company took a huge hit financially, and had to go through a form of bankruptcy. He said a significant part of the hit was the advertising bills. Although those ads brought in tons of business, they cost a lot of money. The company still exists, and still advertises, but it's an example of the ups and downs of advertising when you are a small business.

My point is that I understand why the big advertising agencies have so much pull. The companies they represent have the budgets to advertise. Some local, smaller businesses have budgets, but there are some risks involved, and you really have to commit yourself to advertising on radio if you want it to work for you. It probably is easier in smaller towns and smaller markets. But in a larger market, it costs a bit of money.
 
They do that with their Taste of Country Festival, which is located near Buffalo, but is marketed on all of their country stations.

That sounds more like what iHeart is doing with its music festival. What I was thinking was somehow monetizing the online listening coming from markets like Seattle, where the event is but has no other radio advertising whatsoever.
 
That sounds more like what iHeart is doing with its music festival. What I was thinking was somehow monetizing the online listening coming from markets like Seattle, where the event is but has no other radio advertising whatsoever.

You said: "monetizing the online listening." How would you suggest?
 
There is a disconnect between older programmers, consultants, and today's broadcast world. For small independent operators, stations with 24/7 staffs, tacky dated jingles, and DJ's who talk a lot are not coming back. Stations will continue to combine (not break up), and the golden age of top 40 will not be back. I am a older station owner. Do I miss those days..yes. Do I realize the 1985 is not coming back...yes. Small broadcasters will need to adapt with economical sales packages (affordable rates), more NTR events, and think out of the box (24/7 staffs and jingles is not thinking out of the box). Commercial production will need to improve and reach out to the listener. Stations will need to sound focused, and staff will need to get out of the studio and into the community and connect with community leaders, clients, and core listeners.
 
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First, what great responses to this thread.

I think all of us would love to have the 24/7 live radio station.

I think radio has found itself striving to utilize new media options (new since those live 24/7 days) and evolve. Radio seems to be doing fine in doing so but not without changing it's business model to live within it's means.

The Big A makes a great point. The issue is not just national versus local as far as selling ads goes but the buying patterns of listeners. So many of the local businesses can barely compete. This is very easy to see in the smaller market. A Walmart in the next town and a Dollar General opening up in your town can kill off several Mom and Pop businesses in town so quickly your head spins. For some the sales volume drops so much that not only do the employees lose their jobs leaving only the owner but vendors can't make money off the volume of goods they deliver. My point is that while the issue is national/local as far as advertising goes it's also the consumer that chooses the national chain over local.

I think radio as we remember might find the audience it needs today but I really suspect it would not be affordable. As one wise comment made earlier stated about radio chasing money, one has to assume the investor reviewing costs of operation versus revenue potential will always choose the smaller cost of operation. Nobody wants to make it harder to turn a profit.

It is very true radio is held hostage by the advertiser in respect to what an advertiser will buy and not buy. Advertising is not cheap no matter the media chosen. It always means an ongoing expense to maintain the revenue level, a catch 22, being if you stop you lose, if you keep going it costs you. It's those isolated cases where the stars align or where heritage status has allowed that business model to be live and local with ample financial support to do so.

The comment on creative is certainly true. Radio has been rather 'lazy' in just spewing out uneventful advertisements. Rightfully, some blame goes to the client that dictates content and style. In rare instances a true gem comes along. In my nearly 4 decades, I have had only a couple of those gems. By gems I mean those commercials that got listener's attention and became a part of their lives. The sort of commercial that gets requested on the request line back in the day. My beef has always been making the commercial part of programming, not a separate entity.

Plus, we have to sell it. That's the hard part: telling the person handing you the check how you're going to spend their money. As you might imagine, not many are open to letting you do that. And that is assuming you have the talent back at the station to pull it off. In that regard, I recall my trips down I-35 back around 1980 when I tuned in KLBJ FM in Austin, Texas not for the music but for the commercials. They were that good, actually entertaining. Even then at the station I worked for the salesperson wrote the spot and your two hour production shift meant you did 4 or 5 spots or more, none you'd brag about.
 
You said: "monetizing the online listening." How would you suggest?

That's a really good question that in this case I really don't have an answer for. Maybe there really isn't a way for WJBQ to make any money off of my participation in an event not in the station's home market, even though I heard about it there a good year or more before I started seeing the Facebook adds.
 
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