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  1. #21
    Quote Originally Posted by TheBigA View Post
    Didn't know it expired last month. Interesting. I knew Cumulus got the license at a reduced rate because of the limitations.

    Having said that, I'm not sure Cumulus feels the revenue upside for moving the tower is worth it right now.
    Just one of the many things readers of my column get to know

    (I don't think any other trade publication noted the expiration of that clause...)

    And I quite agree: the upside of moving that signal across the river probably doesn't outweigh the expenses. Especially with no FM infrastructure built out at all yet at 1WTC.
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  2. #22
    Quote Originally Posted by fybush View Post
    Because WWSK is 62 km away from 1WTC and second-adjacent full-spacing from an A to a second-adjacent B is 69 km, is how. Under the short-spacing provisions of 73.215, it's possible to show the existence of a fully-spaced allocation site and then operate WWSK short-spaced from its current site - but there are then spacing issues between WWSK's proposed allotment coordinates, co-channel WYBC-FM in Connecticut and an as-yet-vacant 94.5 allocation on the East End.

    The other ongoing issue is the severe short to WMAS-FM Enfield CT, which is 195 km away from 1 WTC and needs 241 km for full B-to-B co-channel spacing (and even 211 km for B1-to-B full spacing.) WMAS-FM is also owned by Cumulus, so any realistic solution to WNSH's spacing issues in New York would have to involve a downgrade of WMAS-FM. And THAT brings in even more complications - WMAS-FM changed COL from Springfield MA to Enfield CT some years back (it was part of a deal with Clear Channel that was a trade for use of a generator in another market - really!), and so a downgraded WMAS-FM would still have to be able to provide COL coverage of Enfield, which might be challenging from its transmitter site in downtown Springfield.

    Until just very recently, there was also the matter of the contractual provision in the sale of WNSH that obliged Cumulus to pay additional money to Family Stations if it moved 94.7 to Manhattan within a certain number of years, but that provision quietly expired last month.

    So, "nope" is an overly simplistic answer. It's possible, but complicated.
    Also, WJLK 94.3 is 10 km closer than WWSK. It would definitely hurt coverage in their own market of Monmouth

  3. #23
    Quote Originally Posted by fybush View Post
    Especially with no FM infrastructure built out at all yet at 1WTC.
    Another very important fact that hasn't been mentioned until now.

  4. #24
    Quote Originally Posted by TheBigA View Post
    Another very important fact that hasn't been mentioned until now.
    It's an obstacle, but not an insurmountable one. There's space on the mast for a master FM antenna, and plenty of room on the transmitter floor set aside for FM transmitters and a combiner (something else readers of my column learned a few weeks ago). If and when it makes economic and technical sense for any FMs to make the move downtown, it's probably a matter of high six figures (maybe low seven) to build that out. Most of the hard work has already been done for the TVs. The price tag would be prohibitively high in most markets, but New York City isn't most markets.
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  5. #25
    Quote Originally Posted by fybush View Post
    Most of the hard work has already been done for the TVs. The price tag would be prohibitively high in most markets, but New York City isn't most markets.
    Still, this thread was started asking about non-commercial FMs WQXR and WNYC. My view is that $1 million is a bigger number for non-com, even in NYC. That's why I expect those stations to stay where they are.

  6. #26
    Quote Originally Posted by TheBigA View Post
    Still, this thread was started asking about non-commercial FMs WQXR and WNYC. My view is that $1 million is a bigger number for non-com, even in NYC. That's why I expect those stations to stay where they are.
    That's the total cost for the project. It would be shared by whatever other stations join in the group, and would be offset down the road by buy-ins from any new additions, most likely. (And that's not factoring in whatever incentives Durst could theoretically want to offer to get more business for both 1WTC and 4TS).

    But 105.9 is much better off at Empire than it would be downtown. It would have absolutely no building penetration in mid-Manhattan from the 400 watts or so it would be able to run from 1WTC - assuming the spacings there would even work against WBLI, WCHR-FM down the shore, and so on. (I haven't run the study.) And 93.9 went through plenty of gyrations to be able to become fully licensed as a short-spaced B at Empire. No compelling reason I can see for them to think about moving.

    It's WPAT-FM in particular that's still struggling with spacing issues from midtown, but SBS has a lot of other problems on its plate. Becoming the only FM to move downtown doesn't seem at all likely.
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  7. #27
    Quote Originally Posted by fybush View Post
    That's the total cost for the project. It would be shared by whatever other stations join in the group, and would be offset down the road by buy-ins from any new additions, most likely. (And that's not factoring in whatever incentives Durst could theoretically want to offer to get more business for both 1WTC and 4TS).
    My $1 million was the estimated annual rent. That was the figure given back a few years ago when the building opened. I don't know what the rent is now. As compared to $500K for ESB and $250K for 4TS.

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