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    Quote Originally Posted by MediaMan View Post
    A radio station must still use the city of license on its legal ID which must air near the top of the hour when a complete legal ID is required. s.
    The rule:

    " 73.1201 Station identification.

    (a) When regularly required. Broadcast station identification announcements shall be made:

    (1) At the beginning and ending of each time of operation, and

    (2) Hourly, as close to the hour as feasible, at a natural break in program offerings. Television and Class A television broadcast stations may make these announcements visually or aurally.

    (b) Content.

    (1) Official station identification shall consist of the station's call letters immediately followed by the community or communities specified in its license as the station's location; Provided, That the name of the licensee, the station's frequency, the station's channel number, as stated on the station's license, and/or the station's network affiliation may be inserted between the call letters and station location. DTV stations, or DAB Stations, choosing to include the station's channel number in the station identification must use the station's major channel number and may distinguish multicast program streams. For example, a DTV station with major channel number 26 may use 26.1 to identify an HDTV program service and 26.2 to identify an SDTV program service. A DTV station that is devoting one of its multicast streams to transmit the programming of another television licensee must identify itself and may also identify the licensee that it is transmitting. If a DTV station in this situation chooses to identify the station that is the source of the programming it is transmitting, it must use the following format: Station WYYY-DT, community of license (call sign and community of license of the station whose multicast stream is transmitting the programming), bringing you WXXX, community of license (call sign and community of license of the licensee providing the programming). The transmitting station may insert between its call letters and its community of license the following information: the frequency of the transmitting station, the channel number of the transmitting station, the name of the licensee of the transmitting station and the licensee providing the programming, and/or the name of the network of either station. Where a multicast station is carrying the programming of another station and is identifying that station as the source of the programming, using the format described above, the identification may not include the frequency or channel number of the program source. A radio station operating in DAB hybrid mode or extended hybrid mode shall identify its digital signal, including any free multicast audio programming streams, in a manner that appropriately alerts its audience to the fact that it is listening to a digital audio broadcast. No other insertion between the station's call letters and the community or communities specified in its license is permissible.

    (2) A station may include in its official station identification the name of any additional community or communities, but the community to which the station is licensed must be named first. "



    Stations today make a broad interpretation of "natural break in program offerings" and will defend the position of not placing the ID in the middle of a music sweep, which they believe is not a place with any breaks. This has been done for several decades now, and I do not recall the FCC finding fault with the practice. Additionally, there are several things that can be placed between the calls and the Community (or Communities) of License.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MediaMan View Post
    It is not necessary that a community be incorporated for a radio station to be licensed to it. The reason WCNN changed to North Atlanta city of license was because when it added 10KW nighttime operation, the interference free nighttime contour (must cover 100% of city of license) did not cover the entire city of Atlanta...didn't even come close. Later on the FCC became more relaxed on AM nighttime coverage requirements. However when WCNN added nighttime, it did cover the North Atlanta CDP(Census Designated Place). I believe the Census Bureau still shows a North Atlanta CDP.

    When WCNN (then WRNG) was placed on the air by the late Charles Smithgall, it was licensed to Atlanta as a daytimer. Originally 5KW then 10KW, then 25KW before it moved to the nighttime site and went 50KW directional daytime. The daytime is a very shallow null (just two towers) to the northeast and northwest. The nighttime is extremely complex (8 towers). As I recall they send about 8 watts toward WPTF in Raleigh which has dominance on 680. The signal is pretty much hemmed in except to the south southwest which is why the present site was chosen. The RF is beamed south southwest from there across the core of Atlanta. It comes in really well along the Florida Gulf coast.
    You sure about the CoL of Atlanta? I'm looking at the 1970 Broadcasting Yearbook, which has WRNG as 5kW and a CoL of North Atlanta. In fact, I didn't know this--the 1966 Broadcasting Yearbook has 680 as WATY, with a CoL of North Atlanta, and an on-air date of 9/1/65 (!), not 1968 as I and many others had thought. Smithgall is listed as the president and GM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jabba17 View Post
    They did the "WGST Atlanta/Canton" after WCHK-FM changed to WGST-FM.

    Not sure about this, but was that even a legal legal ID?
    Probably not by the letter of the rules, but neither was "B 97 is WBBB AM and FM, West Podunk" lots of simulcasts used in the 70s, and some still use today.
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    Question For David

    What is the rule for legal ID for foreign language stations? Are they required to identify in English? I hear many foreign language stations with no (understandable) ID at all. Sure would help us DXer's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kf4rca View Post
    What is the rule for legal ID for foreign language stations? Are they required to identify in English? I hear many foreign language stations with no (understandable) ID at all. Sure would help us DXer's.
    David keep me honest here, but American foreign language stations can ID in the language of the station, for example Regional Mexican WBZY El Patron 105.3 IDs as "ubeh-dobleh beh zeta ee-griega, Bowdon", not "double-you bee zee wye, Bowdon"

    The reverse is not true for Mexican English-language stations; they have to ID in Spanish. You can find airchecks of XETRA-FM that ID as "equis eh teh ereh ah efeh emeh, Baja Cal-ee-forn-ee-ah, Meh-ee-co", not "ecks ee tee are ay eff em, Baja Cal-uh-forn-yuh, Mecksico", even as the rest of the programming is in English (except for the required government programming). Apparently you don't have to mention the city in a Mexican ID, just the state--and you can talk over it with other programming.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XETRA-FM
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    Quote Originally Posted by jabba17 View Post
    680 as WATY, with a CoL of North Atlanta, and an on-air date of 9/1/65 Smithgall is listed as the president and GM.
    I may be wrong, but that might have been a place holder for Smithgalll's later introduction of WRNG. I'm a native Atlantan, was living here in '65, and do not recall the call sign "WATY."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike_Rafone View Post
    I may be wrong, but that might have been a place holder for Smithgalll's later introduction of WRNG. I'm a native Atlantan, was living here in '65, and do not recall the call sign "WATY."
    I had never heard of WATY before now either. I had always thought that 680 came on the air as Ring Radio right from the beginning.

    I'm a native Atlantan too, but not as seasoned as you
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    Like 'BEEP' and 'BUZZ' and 'GOBBLE-GOBBLE', by gosh we can't even say shhhhhaving cream!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by jabba17 View Post
    David keep me honest here, but American foreign language stations can ID in the language of the station, for example Regional Mexican WBZY El Patron 105.3 IDs as "ubeh-dobleh beh zeta ee-griega, Bowdon", not "double-you bee zee wye, Bowdon"

    The reverse is not true for Mexican English-language stations; they have to ID in Spanish. [/URL]
    There is a gray area in station ID language requirements. The rule (which I posted earlier) does not specify language. The assumption can be made that any language can be used. But that is an assumption, not something specific to the rule.

    For years, going into the 90's, mainland Spanish language stations did their ID in English thinking it was a requirement. But at the same time, stations in Puerto Rico, USA, did the ID in Spanish except for a few English language stations.

    Gradually, the ID on mainland Spanish stations started to be commonly done in Spanish. Stations in other languages picked up on this and started doing the ID in whatever language they use.

    In Mexico, the rule requires the ID in Spanish. That is as true for the English language stations on the border as for the indigenous language stations in rural areas all over Mexico. In part, it has to do with the fact that Mexico has an "official language" and the U.S. does not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike_Rafone View Post
    I may be wrong, but that might have been a place holder for Smithgalll's later introduction of WRNG. I'm a native Atlantan, was living here in '65, and do not recall the call sign "WATY."
    The station shows in the Broadcasting Yearbook as being on the air and having a staff in 1965... they even list a News Director! But were they really on the air?

    WRNG calls were granted in March, 1967 and applied for in January, 1967.

    In September, 1965 they filed for changes in the antenna system and was given a completion date in April, 1966. The change was to go from directional to non-directional and included changes in the single non-directional tower. The completion date was later extended to September, 1966. My guess is that they never built the directional and pushed out the CP by requesting non-DA operation and then extensions for completion.

    The WATY calls were assigned in May, 1965. As calls are assigned in advance of going on the air, it looks like it could not have been on the air in early 1965. In those years, granting of calls would generally be done in advance of starting to build a Construction Permit.

    So it would appear that, if the station were on the air as WATY, it would have been in late 1966 and very early 1967 only.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DavidEduardo View Post
    Stations today make a broad interpretation of "natural break in program offerings" and will defend the position of not placing the ID in the middle of a music sweep, which they believe is not a place with any breaks. This has been done for several decades now, and I do not recall the FCC finding fault with the practice.
    Only exception I recall might have been 1998 WZPL Greenfield/Indianapolis. A Greenfield city council person protested the ID airing at about :50 each hour. Letter from the FCC and the legal moved back to the top and remained until at least the sale to Entercom.

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