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    Retro: Tucson & Phoenix, Thursday, February 9, 1961

    (I was born that morning ;D)

    Source: Arizona Daily Star, 9 February 1961

    Stations:
    3 KTVK Phoenix (ABC)
    4 KVOA-TV Tucson (NBC)
    5 KPHO-TV Phoenix (independent)
    6 KUAT Tucson (University of Arizona)
    9 KGUN Tucson (ABC)
    10 KOOL-TV Phoenix (CBS)
    12 KVAR (KPNX) Mesa (NBC)
    13 KOLD-TV Tucson (CBS)

    THURSDAY, FEBRUARY 9, 1961

    MORNING
    6:00
    12 Continental Classroom (x2)

    6:15
    4 Sign On

    6:30
    4 Continental Classroom

    6:45
    10 Farm & Ranch

    7:00
    4/12 Today (Dave Garroway)
    10/13 Captain Kangaroo

    8:00
    4 Say When (c)
    10/13 December Bride
    12 Dough Re Mi (although NBC ceased production of this game show the previous December 30th, KVAR may have been running it via kinescope this late, or the Star might simply have listed it in error and KVAR actually picked up the same broadcast of Say When as KVOA)

    8:15
    9 Sign On

    8:30
    4/12 Play Your Hunch (c)
    6 Chemistry Class
    9 Satellite Police
    10 On the Go
    13 Video Village

    9:00
    3 Kartoons
    4/12 The Price is Right (c)
    5 Cartoonland
    9 Farm Report
    10/13 I Love Lucy

    9:15
    9 Debbie Drake

    9:30
    3 A Good Look
    4/12 Concentration (c)
    5 Western Theater
    9 Romper Room
    10 December Bride
    13 Clear Horizons

    10:00
    3/9 Morning Court
    4/12 Truth or Consequences (c)
    10/13 Love of Life

    10:30
    3/9 Love That Bob
    4/12 It Could Be You (c)
    5 Morning Movie
    10/13 Search for Tomorrow

    10:45
    10/13 The Guiding Light

    10:55
    4/12 NBC News

    11:00
    3/9 Camouflage
    4 Morning Movie
    10/13 News (The Star lists this as CBS News on KOLD-TV but the network wasn't feeding any at that hour)
    12 Romper Room

    11:05
    10 Mr. & Mrs. North
    13 Highway Patrol (probably the Broderick Crawford syndie)

    11:30
    3/9 Number, Please
    10/13 As the World Turns
    12 Surprise Party

    AFTERNOON
    12:00 Noon
    3/9 About Faces
    4/12 The Jan Murray Show (c)
    10/13 Full Circle

    12:30
    3 You Asked For It
    4/12 Loretta Young Theater
    9 The George Burns & Gracie Allen Show
    10/13 Art Linkletter's House Party

    1:00
    3/9 Day in Court
    4/12 Young Doctor Malone (c)
    5 I Married Joan
    10/13 The Millionaire

    1:30
    3/9 The Road to Reality
    4/12 From These Roots (c)
    5 News
    10/13 The Verdict is Yours

    1:35
    5 Movie

    2:00
    3/9 Queen For a Day
    4 Timex Special: Single Woman (NBC special pre-empting Here's Hollywood at 2:30)
    10/13 The Brighter Day
    12 Comedy Theater

    2:15
    10/13 The Secret Storm

    2:30
    3/9 Who Do You Trust?
    10/13 The Edge of Night
    12 Adventure Theater

    3:00
    3/9 American Bandstand
    4 TV Movie Hour
    10 Topper
    12 Movie Matinee
    13 The Afternoon Movie

    3:30
    5 My Little Margie
    10 Sheriff Bill

    4:00
    5 It's Wallace?

    4:30
    3 Phoenix Marquee
    4 Paul Coates (might this be a syndicated rerun or later incarnation of his KTTV Confidential File program? KVOA has another of his programs at 11:00)
    9 Marshall Kay Gunn
    12 Poco & The 3 Stooges
    13 The Sheriff of Cochise

    5:00
    3/12/13 News
    4 Women's Report
    5 Superman

    5:15
    4/12 The Huntley-Brinkley Report

    5:20
    13 Ramar of the Jungle

    5:30
    3/9 Rocky & His Friends
    4 News
    5 The Life of Riley
    10 Topper
    12 The Outlaws

    5:50
    13 Weather

    EVENING
    6:00
    3 Kingdom of the Sea
    4 Huckleberry Hound
    5 News
    9 It's a Great Life
    10/13 Douglas Edwards with the News (videotaped from CBS' live feed at 5:15)

    6:15
    10/13 News

    6:30
    3/9 Guestward Ho!
    4/12 Remember How Great...? (color musical special hosted by Jack Benny and featuring Louis Armstrong)
    5 Quick Draw McGraw
    6 Elementary Psychology
    10 Range Rider
    13 Not for Hire

    7:00
    3/9 The Donna Reed Show
    5 The Best of Hollywood
    6 The Friendly Giant (don't know if this would be kinescopes of the WHA-TV Madison original or new episodes from the CBC; apparently both were available to KUAT at the time)
    10/13 Gunslinger

    7:30
    3/9 The Real McCoys
    4/12 The Tennessee Ernie Ford Show (c)
    6 The Criminal Man

    8:00
    3/9 My Three Sons
    4/12 The Groucho Show
    6 45 Years with Fitzpatrick
    10/13 Face the Nation

    8:30
    3/9 The Untouchables
    4 The Outlaws
    5 Waterfront
    6 All About Water
    10/13 Profile of a Teacher (perhaps a CBS News special?)
    12 Bat Masterson

    9:00
    5 Adventures of Tomorrow
    6 Continental Classroom (probably the same one that ran that morning on KVOA)
    10/13 Angel
    12 Mike Hammer

    9:30
    3 Take a Good Look (the final ABC airing of Ernie Kovacs' unique game show)
    4 Johnny Midnight
    5 U.S. Marshal
    6/12 News (sign-off of KUAT at 10:00)
    9 Best of Post
    10/13 The Ann Sothern Show

    10:00
    3 Johnny Midnight
    4/5 News
    9 Panorama
    10/13 Dick Powell's Zane Grey Theater
    12 The Jack Paar Tonight Show (color, the final live 60 minutes)

    10:15
    4 The Jack Paar Tonight Show (color, the final live 45 minutes)
    9 The Early Show (movie)

    10:30
    3 Theatre After Dark
    5 Movietime
    10 News
    13 Thursday Evening Theatre

    11:00
    4 Paul Coates
    10 The Million Dollar Movie
    12 News

    11:30
    4 The Big Movie (followed by news headlines and sign-off)
    12 Fletcher Presents (probably a movie)

    12:00 Midnight
    9 The Late Show (movie)

    Apparently pre-empted from the networks in both cities:
    Sunrise Semester (CBS, before Captain Kangaroo)
    Make Room for Daddy (NBC reruns of the ABC run of Danny Thomas' sitcom, 11:30 a.m.)
    The Texan (ABC reruns of the 1958-1960 CBS Western starring Rory Calhoun, 12:30 p.m.)
    ABC News (Alex Dreier had briefly become ABC's evening newscaster by this time, after John Charles Daly abruptly quit ABC the previous November; according to Wikipedia, ABC had scheduled The Bugs Bunny Show and The Flintstones on November 8, 1960, causing Daly's Presidential Election coverage to start over an hour later than NBC and CBS)
    King Daevid MacKenzie

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    Re: Retro: Tucson & Phoenix, Thursday, February 9, 1961

    First, I assume the "Dough Re Mi" listing for Ch. 12 is a typo,
    since it's airing practically all of the NBC schedule in tandem
    with Ch. 4.

    Second, I think you must be getting your schedule information
    from Wikipedia (1961 daytime schedules). Castleman and Podrazik,
    in "The TV Schedule Book," which I think is more reliable, show "The
    Texan" as being off the ABC daytime schedule, replaced by "Camouflage,"
    and (since Chs. 3 and 9 are following Central time during the day) 12:30
    is affiliate time; "About Faces" airs at 12, and "Day In Court" at 1.

    Third, "Make Room For Daddy" aired at 4 PM (ET), which would be 2 PM
    (MT). 11 AM-12 N (MT) is affiliate time. I think that same Wikipedia site
    shows "The Millionaire" at 11:30 AM (ET), when it did, in fact, air at 3 PM
    (ET), so Chs. 10 and 13 were carrying it in pattern.

    Fourth, "Sunrise Semester" did not move from WCBS onto the full CBS network
    until 1963.

    And was that a special episode of "The Flintstones" on Nov. 8, 1960? ABC's
    normal 7:30-8:30 (ET) programming on Tuesday nights was Bugs Bunny followed
    by "The Rifleman," with "The Flintstones" airing at 8:30 Friday.

    For the record, here is what Castleman and Podrazik show for daytime in the winter
    of 1961 (10 AM-5 PM ET):

    ABC 10 AM (Local)
    11 AM Morning Court
    11:30 Love That Bob
    12 N Camouflage
    12:30 Number Please
    1 PM About Faces
    1:25 News (Al Mann)
    1:30 (Local)
    2 PM Day In Court
    2:30 Seven Keys (started April 3)
    3 PM Queen For A Day
    3:30 Who Do You Trust?
    4 PM American Bandstand (to 5:30, after which is ABC's
    kids' block of "Rin Tin Tin," "Rocky And His Friends,"
    and "The Lone Ranger")

    CBS 10 AM I Love Lucy
    10:30 Video Village
    11 AM Double Exposure (started March 13)
    11:30 Your Surprise Package (started March 13)
    12 N Love Of Life
    12:30 Search For Tomorrow
    12:45 Guiding Light
    1 PM News (Ron Cochran)
    1:05 (Local)
    1:30 As The World Turns
    2 PM Face The Facts (started March 13)
    2:30 Art Linkletter's House Party
    3 PM Millionaire
    3:30 The Verdict Is Yours
    4 PM Brighter Day
    4:15 Secret Storm
    4:30 Edge Of Night

    NBC 10 AM Say When!
    10:30 Play Your Hunch
    11 AM Price Is Right
    11:30 Concentration
    12 N Truth Or Consequences
    12:30 It Could Be You
    12:55 News (Ray Scherer)
    1 PM (Local)
    2 PM Jan Murray Show (Charge Account)
    2:30 Loretta Young
    3 PM Young Dr. Malone
    3:30 From These Roots
    4 PM Make Room For Daddy
    4:30 Here's Hollywood

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    Re: Retro: Tucson & Phoenix, Thursday, February 9, 1961

    Quote Originally Posted by bpatrick
    I think you must be getting your schedule information
    from Wikipedia (1961 daytime schedules).
    ...yes, which is why I said "apparently pre-empted" ;D ...
    King Daevid MacKenzie

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    Re: Retro: Tucson & Phoenix, Thursday, February 9, 1961

    Quote Originally Posted by Ultimajock
    (I was born that morning ;D)

    Source: Arizona Daily Star, 9 February 1961
    Then an early happy 50th!!

    I have access to the actual Tucson Citizen from the afternoons of Wed 2/8/61 (Thurs listings before 6 pm) and Thurs 2/9/61 (Thurs listings from 5 pm on) - they don't list Phoenix stations, but Tucson notes and corrections are below:

    MORNING
    7:00
    4/12 Today (Dave Garroway)
    10/13 Captain Kangaroo Citizen shows Ch 13 - 7:00 am Test Tunes - Capt Kangaroo, 7:30 am Captain Kangaroo. Test Tunes might be sign on?

    11:30
    3/9 Number, Please
    4 Morning Movie
    10/13 As the World Turns
    12 Surprise Party

    AFTERNOON
    2:00
    3/9 Queen For a Day
    4 TimexPurex Special: Single Woman (NBC special pre-empting Here's Hollywood at 2:30)
    10/13 The Brighter Day
    12 Comedy Theater

    EVENING
    8:00
    3/9 My Three Sons
    4/12 The Groucho Show Listed as You Bet Your Life
    6 45 Years with Fitzpatrick
    10/13 Face the Nation


    If you did get your info from Wikipedia, it accurately reflected the listings in the actual newspapers at that time.
    Dave

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    Re: Retro: Tucson & Phoenix, Thursday, February 9, 1961

    Quote Originally Posted by dhett
    Quote Originally Posted by Ultimajock
    (I was born that morning ;D)

    Source: Arizona Daily Star, 9 February 1961
    Then an early happy 50th!!
    ...muchas gracias!...

    I have access to the actual Tucson Citizen from the afternoons of Wed 2/8/61 (Thurs listings before 6 pm) and Thurs 2/9/61 (Thurs listings from 5 pm on) - they don't list Phoenix stations, but Tucson notes and corrections are below:

    MORNING
    7:00
    4/12 Today (Dave Garroway)
    10/13 Captain Kangaroo Citizen shows Ch 13 - 7:00 am Test Tunes - Capt Kangaroo, 7:30 am Captain Kangaroo. Test Tunes might be sign on?
    ...I'm assuming as much, which is why I didn't list it above. I don't think KOLD-TV would have cut into Captain Kangaroo's air time with a test pattern and phonograph records. Paley wouldn't have dug it. ;D ...

    11:30
    3/9 Number, Please
    4 Morning Movie
    10/13 As the World Turns
    12 Surprise Party
    ...yes, I missed that one. Many thanks...

    AFTERNOON
    2:00
    3/9 Queen For a Day
    4 TimexPurex Special: Single Woman (NBC special pre-empting Here's Hollywood at 2:30)
    10/13 The Brighter Day
    12 Comedy Theater
    ...misread that one at 3:00 this morning. Thanks...

    EVENING
    8:00
    3/9 My Three Sons
    4/12 The Groucho Show Listed as You Bet Your Life
    6 45 Years with Fitzpatrick
    10/13 Face the Nation
    ...in the Star, the KVOA listing read "You Bet Your Life," while the KVAR listing read "Groucho Show," which reflected the actual name NBC and John Guedel were using as the show's title in that final season. So I went with the KVAR listing title on that...

    If you did get your info from Wikipedia, it accurately reflected the listings in the actual newspapers at that time.
    ...My primary source is the microfilm of the Arizona Daily Star in the collection of the Pima County Public Library. I used Wikipedia only as far as the programs that appeared to have been pre-empted by the affiliates. I don't have the Castleman/Podrazik book...
    King Daevid MacKenzie

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    Re: Retro: Tucson & Phoenix, Thursday, February 9, 1961

    Castleman and Podrazik's "The TV Schedule Book" is long
    out-of-print; I happened to pick it up at a used book store
    back in the '90s. It and the TV Guides I use for retros are
    basically in sync, enough that I find it dependable; its only
    drawback is that it stops with the summer of 1983 at which
    point I, too, have to go to Wikipedia. You may be able to
    find this book at www.abebooks.com or on ebay.

    Re Groucho: officially the show's title during the 1960-61 season
    (its last) was "The Groucho Show," although sometimes Groucho
    would still welcome contestants by saying, "Welcome to You Bet
    Your Life". Supposedly John Guedel made the change in title to
    further distance the show from the then-recent quiz-show scandals.

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    Re: Retro: Tucson & Phoenix, Thursday, February 9, 1961

    ABC prime time on 3/9 was in pattern, due to it being on 16mm film originated at
    KTVK 3, which fed KGUN 9. One exception being the Kovacs show which had to be
    tape delayed, so KTVK must have had at least some VTR equipment then. Easier
    perhaps would have been to take Ernie "live net" at 8:30, and slide the "violent"
    Untouchables to 9, since the film print is in the house anyway.

    As to errors in the listings, I recall both cities' papers being somewhat sloppy with
    the out-of-market stations. For network shows, 3/9 and 10/13 should be almost
    identical since 3 fed 9 and 10 fed 13. 4 and 12 each had its own Telco line.


    Quote Originally Posted by Ultimajock
    11:30
    12 Fletcher Presents (probably a movie)
    Fletcher Jones Chevrolet?
    Save AM radio...kill I-CRAP.

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    Re: Retro: Tucson & Phoenix, Thursday, February 9, 1961

    Quote Originally Posted by oldiesfan6479
    ABC prime time on 3/9 was in pattern, due to it being on 16mm film originated at
    KTVK 3, which fed KGUN 9. One exception being the Kovacs show which had to be
    tape delayed, so KTVK must have had at least some VTR equipment then.
    ...or KTVK was taking the West Coast feed from Hollywood...
    King Daevid MacKenzie

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    Re: Retro: Tucson & Phoenix, Thursday, February 9, 1961

    Quote Originally Posted by Ultimajock
    ...or KTVK was taking the West Coast feed from Hollywood...
    Nope, left coast prime time was 7:30-11 PT, which would have been 8:30-12 MT.
    Kovacs specifically aired at 10:30 PT or 11:30 MT if it had been the left coast feed.
    The listings have prime 6:30-10 MT. Daytime was, as bpatrick may have pointed
    out here or elsewhere, the Central zone feed being run through to Mountain time.

    But the one absolute is that I watched ABC prime then on KGUN as a very young
    TV geek, and almost all the shows were on 16mm film--exceptions being the rare
    live or tape show on the network that somehow got tape delayed, plus most or all
    of the Saturday night schedule which 3/9 took live.

    Heck, I never got to see Batman in its original 35mm film form--except for once on
    a visit to Denver in summer '66--until some cable net aired it in the '90s.
    Save AM radio...kill I-CRAP.

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