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    Quote Originally Posted by oldies76 View Post
    And it's probably due to this, that these lost songs are never heard from again on classic hits, years later unless they happen to test well again for some reason. It makes me cringe, but I guess that's how it is in your industry.
    It happens for a reason. Usually because the song wasn't that good in the first place, or developed negative reputation over time, like Achy Breaky Heart, Ahab The Arab, or Honey. Achy Breaky just celebrated its 25th anniversary. Billy Ray Cyrus did numerous interviews about it, pointing out the song sold 9 million albums, won the CMA Single of the Year, and keeps him working today. Yet playing it on the radio gets a negative reaction.
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    It happens for a reason. Usually because the song wasn't that good in the first place, or developed negative reputation over time, like Achy Breaky Heart, Ahab The Arab, or Honey. Achy Breaky just celebrated its 25th anniversary. Billy Ray Cyrus did numerous interviews about it, pointing out the song sold 9 million albums, won the CMA Single of the Year, and keeps him working today. Yet playing it on the radio gets a negative reaction.
    Happy Father's Day, Mr. Cyrus! How's it feel to be nowadays less known for "Achy..." than as the dad of...?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CTListener View Post
    So why did the Hot 100 -- and CHR playlists -- turn to sludge soon after the change? Downloading was in its infancy in 1992, yet that year you had marathon stays at No. 1 for "End of the Road," "Jump" and "I Will Always Love You," and it only got worse in succeeding years. Was SoundScan behind the ultra-conservatism of CHR programmers in those early years, or was some other factor at work?
    When sales reporting was based on wholesale shipments, there would be instant shipments in anticipation of big sales and to insure enough product was in channels. If the song stiffed out, there were no reorders and so the sales part of the chart would decline. If the demand was moderate, the additional shipments would be slower.

    With Soundscan, we we get a register of weekly actual retail, and that may be spread out over a longer time. Also remember that the 80's market the end of the single, so it became very hard to judge individual song retail demand so airplay and, eventually, digital took over.

    The older movements were quite artificial. Today's methods show actual interest in a song itself, not wholesale shipments that don't really show sales. And now, with on-demand and downloads, we again have single song data.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oldies76 View Post
    And it's probably due to this, that these lost songs are never heard from again on classic hits, years later unless they happen to test well again for some reason. It makes me cringe, but I guess that's how it is in your industry.
    Songs burn at different rates.

    Biggest example: La Macarena. When it was done, it was toast. It literally went from very positive from very negative in just a couple of weeks, and radio killed it dead. It never came back.

    Some never die.

    Back in 1995 at an AC in LA, we had a song that tested #1 for over a year, so it became a power for most of the time during 60 weeks. If we saw it softening, it would go into a lower rotation only to surge in callout, and go back to power because we were not playing it enough. It lasted in current and recurrent categories nearly 3 years before going into the top gold category. 18 years later it does not test well enough to play.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheBigA View Post
    It happens for a reason. Usually because the song wasn't that good in the first place, or developed negative reputation over time, like Achy Breaky Heart, Ahab The Arab, or Honey. Achy Breaky just celebrated its 25th anniversary. Billy Ray Cyrus did numerous interviews about it, pointing out the song sold 9 million albums, won the CMA Single of the Year, and keeps him working today. Yet playing it on the radio gets a negative reaction.
    I've heard "Achy Breaky Heart" numerous times on iHeart's classic country feed, carried locally on WWYZ-HD2. If it's OK with a big company like iHeart, I would assume that Cumulus' Nash Icon stations play it as well, though there's no way to tell here as we have no affiliate in the state. Or are there songs that are OK for HD (non)audiences but not for main-signal listeners?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DavidEduardo View Post

    Back in 1995 at an AC in LA, we had a song that tested #1 for over a year, so it became a power for most of the time during 60 weeks. If we saw it softening, it would go into a lower rotation only to surge in callout, and go back to power because we were not playing it enough. It lasted in current and recurrent categories nearly 3 years before going into the top gold category. 18 years later it does not test well enough to play.
    Let me guess...."As I Lay Me Down" by Sophie B Hawkins. As for "Macarena", I wonder if the same fate will apply to "Despacito", now at 5 weeks #1.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oldies76 View Post
    Let me guess...."As I Lay Me Down" by Sophie B Hawkins. As for "Macarena", I wonder if the same fate will apply to "Despacito", now at 5 weeks #1.
    Wrong. "Mi Forma de Sentir" by Pedro Fernández. Top plays on LA's #1 station for over a year.

    "Despacito" is not a novelty song, while "La Macarena" is.

    We have precedent in a song that did not cross over as fast and big... the Enrique Iglesias - Gente de Zona -Descember Bueno song "Bailando" was in the top tier of the Latin Chart for nearly 3 years, and now has 2.2 billion YouTube plays and continues to rack them up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oldies76 View Post
    What are you going to play? "Cold Hearted" by Paula Abdul, "Baby Got Back" by Sir Mix A Lot, "I Wanna Sex You Up" by Color Me Badd or "Batdance" by Prince?
    Does anyone, anywhere play "Batdance?" If they do, I hope it's the single edit.
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    Does anyone, anywhere play "Batdance?" If they do, I hope it's the single edit.
    Not even SiriusXM, whose decades channels play a whole bunch of songs terrestrial hasn't touched since they were current. You KNOW a song hasn't aged well when that happens!

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    Not even SiriusXM, whose decades channels play a whole bunch of songs terrestrial hasn't touched since they were current. You KNOW a song hasn't aged well when that happens!
    Though 90s on 9 played Do the Bartman.

    Go figure.

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