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Southernmost points Canadian stations were historically carried on cable in the U.S.
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CBET is still carried on Buckeye's two systems in Ohio (Toledo and Sandusky) as well as Spectrum in Port Clinton. CBET used to have more carriage in northwest Ohio.
CKWS is seen in Utica, New York.
CBUT is carried in a majority of Western Washington.
CISA used to have translators in Montana.
CKWS is seen in Utica, New York.
CBUT is carried in a majority of Western Washington.
CISA used to have translators in Montana.
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CBUT is considered by Comcast (basically THE only cable provider in most of Western Washington) to be a Seattle market station. As a Hockey Night in Canada fan, I can personally verify its carriage in both Chehalis and Hoquiam, WA.
To give you a rough estimate about distance from Vancouver, BC these towns are, both are about 80 miles as the crow flies from Seattle. Seattle is about 100 miles as the crow flies from Vancouver.
So yeah, to this date, CBUT (along with CFMI-FM in the music channel section) can be received 140-150 air miles south of the BC/WA border.
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To give you a rough estimate about distance from Vancouver, BC these towns are, both are about 80 miles as the crow flies from Seattle. Seattle is about 100 miles as the crow flies from Vancouver.
So yeah, to this date, CBUT (along with CFMI-FM in the music channel section) can be received 140-150 air miles south of the BC/WA border.
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Similar to how Comcast treats CBET in Detroit. CBET actually has the most cable carriage (in # of subscribers) of any commercial station in Michigan (as it's seen in Flint and East Lansing [but, oddly, not in Lansing itself] in addition to its nearly ubiquitous Detroit market cable carriage)
not on cable but OTA there is a translator system in Alexandria, MN (45.885233, -95.377222) that still has CTV Two Atlantic on it (32.1)
http://selectivetv.org/channel-line-up/
And I can confirm it as my uncle picks up the Selective TV transmitters from his home 25 miles NW of there
http://selectivetv.org/channel-line-up/
And I can confirm it as my uncle picks up the Selective TV transmitters from his home 25 miles NW of there
There is some paid programming on both cable channels and the local OTA TV's in the Palm Springs market due to the huge number of snowbirds in this market during the cold months in Western Canada.
CHLT 7 (TVA) and CKSH 9 (Radio-Canada) from Sherbrooke both have coverage on New England cable systems with French-speaking communities, including Vermont, New Hampshire, Maine and Massachusetts. CKSH is carried more. I always wondered, if these U.S. systems are getting the signal via microwave, why don't they just import the flagship stations CBFT and CFTM from Montreal, rather than affiliates from a small Quebec city. The distance isn't really that much greater. The programming is mostly the same but both stations carry some local Estrie/Eastern Townships news and their own commercials. And why don't these cable systems also carry CBMT Montreal, the CBC station?
Seattle carried atleast two major Vancouver stations in the 80's and 90's, I think CBUT and CTV (not sure of the actual calls). Today it is just CBUT. However, Vancouver carries the full boat of network affiliates out of Seattle, including Fox. Edmonton and Calgary carry the full boat from Spokane.
Different rules. The CRTC authorizes Big 4 networks from a few locations to be available on cable systems in Canada. Seattle, Spokane, Detroit and Buffalo are the cities carried. Minneapolis is on in Thunder Bay and parts of it (minus ABC & FOX) are in Winnipeg/Manitoba.
Rochester, NY (WUHF) FOX is usually the FOX carried (not Buffalo). Bell Expressvu (Bell TV) carries Boston nets
There are some areas where the CRTC allows other markets to be carried. For example, Montreal (and a good chunk of Quebec) gets Burlington/Plattsburgh locals (which can be received OTA in a large portion of that area). On the other hand, the smaller communities of Fort Frances and Sault Ste. Marie, both in Ontario, can't carry local stations that are easily available OTA there (likely due to the fact that both Duluth and Traverse City-Cadillac are small markets). KNRR gets screwed out of Winnipeg by the same policy (while same-market WDAZ is available on cable there)
Is Sim/Sub a factor (subbing the same show from a Canadian network when it duplicates programming from a U.S. network)?
There are 2 lists...the ones that can be carried "nationwide" (authorized by the CRTC) and the ones that are in a select area because they can be picked up OTA. These are authorized as being allowed to be carried by the CRTC
WCVB-TV Boston/WKBW-TV Buffalo/WVNY Burlington/WXYZ-TV Detroit/WJET-TV Erie/KSTP-TV Minneapolis/KXLY-TV Spokane/KOMO-TV Seattle (ABC affiliate)
WBZ-TV Boston/WIVB-TV Buffalo/WCAX-TV Burlington/WSEE Erie/WTOL-TV Toledo/WCCO-TV Minneapolis/KREM-TV Spokane/KIRO-TV Seattle/WWJ-TV Detroit (CBS affiliate)
WBTS-LD Boston/WGRZ-TV Buffalo/WPTZ Burlington/WDIV Detroit/WICU-TV Erie/KARE Minneapolis/KHQ-TV Spokane/KING-TV Seattle (NBC affiliate)
WUTV Buffalo/WFFF-TV Burlington/WFTC Minneapolis/WUHF Rochester/KAYU-TV Spokane/KCPQ Tacoma/WFXT Boston (FOX affiliate)
WGBH-TV Boston/WNED-TV Buffalo/WETK Burlington/WTVS Detroit/WQLN Erie/KSPS-TV Spokane/KCTS-TV Seattle (PBS affiliate)
There is also an unoffical list that has more info about what an area had and maybe dropped.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_...hwestern_Ontario.2C_Manitoba_and_Saskatchewan
KNRR "got screwed" because the CRTC figured out Canadian advertisers would advertise with KNRR instead of CBC, CTV, Global etc. The CRTC denied the request for KNRR to be carried back in 1985 and reissued in 1994
1986
http://crtc.gc.ca/eng/archive/1986/DB86-1006.htm
1994
http://crtc.gc.ca/eng/archive/1994\DB94-793.htm
WDAZ has been apprived by the CRTC...here is the renewal in 08 for Winnipeg
The licensee is authorized to distribute, at its option, WCCO-TV (CBS) and KARE-TV (NBC), Minneapolis, Minnesota, WDAZ (ABC) Grand Forks, North Dakota, WUHF (FOX), Rochester, New York and KGFE (PBS) Grand Forks, North Dakota, as part of the basic service.
edit: WDAZ and PPTV have been on there since the 80s when KXJB and KTHI (KVLY) were dropped in 86 for at the time Cancom.....it has now been replaced with Minneapolis CBS & NBC
http://www.crtc.gc.ca/eng/archive/1986/DB86-184.htm
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has to probably due to the fact that the Int'l Falls translators were probably difficult to pick up OTA and using CANCOM (Detroit) stations was just easier. Duluth stations were carried in Thunder Bay until 1986 when they were replaced with Detroit due to inadequate signals (fuzzy pictures) from the Duluth stations since they went through 2 hops before picked up for Thunder Bay.
http://www.crtc.gc.ca/eng/archive/1986/DB86-219.HTM
CSI Cable in Jamestown and Valley City carries CBWT: http://www.csicable.com/TV-Jamestown.php and http://www.csicable.com/TV-Valley.php
Multiple systems in NE North Dakota carry CBWT and/or CKY, such as United/Turtle Mountain (which have almost the same lineup with the exception of the Big Four as United serves parts of the Fargo DMA while Turtle Mountain serves parts of the Western North Dakota DMA [both sides get CBWT and CKY in HD]): https://www.utma.com/pdfs/UC-TMC-Channel-Lineup.pdf
Multiple systems in NE North Dakota carry CBWT and/or CKY, such as United/Turtle Mountain (which have almost the same lineup with the exception of the Big Four as United serves parts of the Fargo DMA while Turtle Mountain serves parts of the Western North Dakota DMA [both sides get CBWT and CKY in HD]): https://www.utma.com/pdfs/UC-TMC-Channel-Lineup.pdf
CISA still has some cable carriage (and I think is still on at least one privately-owned translator) in northern Montana. In 1980 (as CJOC and a CBC private affiliate), it had more widespread carriage in Montana, including in Billings, Bozeman, Butte, Great Falls, and Helena.
Somewhat off-topic, it seems like almost every system in Montana had at least one commercial station from either Salt Lake City or Spokane (at the time, every market in Montana was a "short" market, meaning it had one or two stations and networks had to share channels). Very little in the way of Denver stations (except KWGN).
Over in North Dakota, the late CKX was carried in central North Dakota. CBWFT was carried in Grafton (a rare example of an SRC station getting American cable carriage outside of New England).
In Maine, CJBR and CKRT were carried in parts of Aroostook County, while CKSH was carried in parts of the rest of the state (including Portland) and had carriage into the Boston suburbs.
Somewhat off-topic, it seems like almost every system in Montana had at least one commercial station from either Salt Lake City or Spokane (at the time, every market in Montana was a "short" market, meaning it had one or two stations and networks had to share channels). Very little in the way of Denver stations (except KWGN).
Over in North Dakota, the late CKX was carried in central North Dakota. CBWFT was carried in Grafton (a rare example of an SRC station getting American cable carriage outside of New England).
In Maine, CJBR and CKRT were carried in parts of Aroostook County, while CKSH was carried in parts of the rest of the state (including Portland) and had carriage into the Boston suburbs.
Years ago when I lived in Crookston MN the Winnipeg CBC station was carried on Midco. Crookston is about 120 miles from Winnipeg so it made some sense.
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