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  1. #11
    I am with KeithE4 (being a fellow Arizonan). Basically depends upon the issue whether I go left or right but we definitely need better choices than either major party has given us in my lifetime.
    Illegitimi non carborundum

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    Quote Originally Posted by KeithE4 View Post
    As one of McCain's constituents since 1994, I can tell you that he is only pragmatic when he is not up for reelection. Last year, like every other time his job was on the line, he was as loony-right as they come... until he won. I never have, and never will, vote for this joker for Dogcatcher, let alone Senator or President.

    As for myself, I consider myself a libertarian-leaning centrist -- fiscally conservative and socially liberal -- but a hard-core no-party independent. In fact, I'd love to see all political parties Constitutionally outlawed via an amendment (yeah, I know, there's a better chance of the Browns beating the Lions in next year's Super Bowl). I told the GOP to go to hell in 2005, after Hurricane Katrina, added to the fact that the Republicans in Arizona are just as corrupt as the Democrats in Chicago.

    I believe that, in case of any dispute, the wording of the Constitution must be the final word of the matter. That means, for example, that the 14th Amendment applies to all, including men who want to marry other men, and women who want to marry other women, as long as both are consenting adults. I also believe that if something is not specifically OK per the Constitution, a Federal law which passed Constitutional muster (despite all the mistakes SCOTUS has made through the years), and it doesn't cross state lines, the states should be left alone to make their own laws.

    I agree but apparently politics is more tribal than I like to think it is. I look at the protests at UC Davis and UC Berkeley recently over Milo Yiannapolis who is apparently behind the Trump playbook and I realized were really segregated by politics. The threat of states doing their edition of Brexit like California and Texas for different reasons. California does it to protect their blue state status or Texas does brexit to protect their red state status.


    At this point we are too Tribal when it comes to religious or political beliefs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RadioPatrol View Post

    At this point we are too Tribal when it comes to religious or political beliefs.
    I agree. It was not so in my grandparents' day.

    IMHO the turning point was in 1972 when Saul Alinsky published Rules for Radicals.
    The aim of politics then changed from winning a debate of ideas to destroying your opponent.

    That book has had a tremendous influence, and not for the better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RadioPatrol View Post
    I look at the protests at UC Davis and UC Berkeley recently over Milo Yiannapolis who is apparently behind the Trump playbook ...


    At this point we are too Tribal when it comes to religious or political beliefs.
    Milo's recently revealed, astonishing defense of pedophilia has folks of all "tribes" riled up now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FreddyE1977 View Post

    IMHO the turning point was in 1972 when Saul Alinsky published Rules for Radicals.
    The aim of politics then changed from winning a debate of ideas to destroying your opponent.

    That book has had a tremendous influence, and not for the better.
    Thinking back, I believe you may be right.
    No irony there.

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    http://www.npr.org/2017/02/21/516375...ntial-election

    https://news.vice.com/story/philippi...e-cuts-us-ties

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/21/o...a-motives.html

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/20/u...ssia.html?_r=0

    Apparently having an alleged connection to Putin and Russia is political polarizing issue and not just in the USA and the White House. Apparently France and Philippines has also faced allegations of their presidential candidates, presidents or presidential cabinets over alleged Putin deals and not just a Trump Cabinet issue. Note some allegations may have on going congressional, intelligence investigations for now. Note I knew people who voted Republican when Reagan was President but switched to Democrats and Clinton in the 2016 elections because they didn't believe Trump was going to be a stable president. These are Republicans that voted for Reagan and the Bush family for president. These people were expecting a Jeb Bush to be president and
    switched to Clinton in the last election because of the alleged Putin Deal.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0utzB6oDan0

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_HYe9VdOGIQ
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4np_7LkqL5M

  7. #17
    I'm glad to be in Canada, where "Liberal" means not tilting left or right of the scale.
    I love Canada because there are 3 solid voting choices that can tilt the country left, right or keep it level.
    I think of myself as being an orange liberal. (New Democrat party, orange is the left leaning color)
    The "Center scale" Liberal party in Canada uses red and the right winged conservative party here is blue.

    For those who follow politics on both sides of the border, the colors do get confusing and easy to mix up, lol
    (ie look at the democrat and Republican colors, now look at the Canadian Liberal and Conservative colors! lol)

    If I were in the States, I would have most likely voted Democrat, but don't let my opinion stand in the way of thinking that BOTH choices in that last election were horrible.
    Last edited by Yeziknoradio; 04-20-2017 at 04:39 AM.
    If you never say no, how much is your yes worth?

  8. #18
    You know the old joke...

    "The United States will never try to annex Canada. They could never withstand the shock
    of absorbing 30 million Democrats."

  9. #19
    I lean liberal but I can read a Charles Krauthammer column and think he makes sense. Before Trump was elected I could listen to Rush Limbaugh and think he made sense.

  10. #20
    Quote Originally Posted by FreddyE1977 View Post
    You know the old joke...

    "The United States will never try to annex Canada. They could never withstand the shock
    of absorbing 30 million Democrats."
    Kevin O'Leary (From Shark Tank) must have taken that joke seriously. He is now withdrawing from Canadian politics. lol,
    (no, not necessarily true-he simply refused to learn how to speak french to make Quebec happy.)
    http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/kevi...nier-1.4086583
    If you never say no, how much is your yes worth?

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