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  1. #61
    Quote Originally Posted by michael hagerty View Post
    No need. As KM says, only call letter freaks would care. "KFRC" means nothing in L.A. And having those calls on KCBS' FM simulcast sure doesn't keep them from having a great top-of-the-hour ID:

    http://www.tophour.com/audio/San%20F...bs_sfybush.mp3

    And CBS is doing nice stuff with KFRC HD-2, playing classic hits with an emphasis on stuff that was big on KFRC in the 70s and early 80s with IDs and jingles from back in the day. Driving around San Francisco, it sounds about right...only missing the jocks:

    http://player.radio.com/listen/stati...m-classic-hits
    In regard to KFRC HD-2, they are playing the exact same music and ID bed/jingles that we used on 106.9 when it was live with jocks. What little imaging they are still using on HD-2 is stuff I threw together in '08...the good sweepers either rarely play or have been removed. I wasn't even aware it still existed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LKellerIII View Post
    I agree with Michael and KM. I'm not a big KCBS listener (all commercials all the time, with an occasional news segment), but I love that TOH ID. It was a bit disconcerting at first hearing those call letters on a news station, but (sentimentalist that I am), it's still nice having them in the Bay Area.

    There was an argument a few years ago on this site about K-F-R-C, which invoke San FRanCisco even though the calls were apparently given in sequence to the Don Lee station at its inception, by the agency that preceded the FCC. I dug up some evidence that stations in that era WERE in fact, given requested call letters on occasion. The first known request was the banker from Des Moines who requested (and was granted) "WHO" in April of 1924. KFRC did not come along until September 1924. But regardless, the KFRC calls have historical meaning, and would be silly to park in Los Angeles...not to mention all the paperwork and FCC fees involved for CBS for no possible gain.

    Possible evidence for Don Lee requesting the KFRC call letters - KFRB (Bakersfield) didn't exist until 1948, and KFRE (FREsno) went on the air in 1937. Couldn't find anything on KFRD.

    I don't know the reason the KCBS call letters were allowed by CBS to remain in San Francisco, while KNBC was rightfully moved to LA. Growing up in LA it was odd to have KABC (radio and TV), KNBC (TV) and KNX/KNXT. I assume the rationale at the time was that KCBS was locked in a ratings fight with KGO radio, and it made sense to keep them for the status it conveyed, and KNX listeners in LA were used to those historical calls, and there was no point changing. But I'm just speculating.

    BTW - Ronald Reagan worked at WHO for 4 years in the 1930s.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KKYX

    Interestingly KABC was on a station in San Antonio before those call letters landed on KECA-AM 790 (Now Cumulus O&O) and KECA-TV 7 for the ABC O&O in Los Angeles. But then again by the time ABC got those call letters (ABC had the evidence at that point that Los Angeles is a bigger media market than San Francisco).

    When KCBS and KNBC were here (What evidence did CBS and NBC get to prove that San Francisco is a bigger Media Market than LA)?





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    Quote Originally Posted by RadioPatrol View Post
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KKYX

    Interestingly KABC was on a station in San Antonio before those call letters landed on KECA-AM 790 (Now Cumulus O&O) and KECA-TV 7 for the ABC O&O in Los Angeles. But then again by the time ABC got those call letters (ABC had the evidence at that point that Los Angeles is a bigger media market than San Francisco).

    When KCBS and KNBC were here (What evidence did CBS and NBC get to prove that San Francisco is a bigger Media Market than LA)?





    http://www.sanantonioradiomemories.com/buckle.htm
    WNPR radio is in Market 52 (Hartford-New Britain). What evidence did NPR get to prove Hartford was a bigger media market than LA, SF, Houston, Cleveland, Tampa, Phoenix, Milwaukee, etc. etc. etc.?

  4. #64
    Quote Originally Posted by CTListener View Post
    What evidence did NPR get to prove Hartford was a bigger media market than LA, SF, Houston, Cleveland, Tampa, Phoenix, Milwaukee, etc. etc. etc.?
    You probably know this already but NPR doesn't own WNPR, and in fact NPR is not allowed to own any radio station. The stations in a sense own NPR. KNPR is in Las Vegas, and it's owned by Nevada Public Radio. That's how they justify their call letters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheBigA View Post
    You probably know this already but NPR doesn't own WNPR, and in fact NPR is not allowed to own any radio station. The stations in a sense own NPR. KNPR is in Las Vegas, and it's owned by Nevada Public Radio. That's how they justify their call letters.
    KPBS San Diego is the same they happen to carry the PBS initials simply because they are a member station of the public TV outlet. However California State University owns KPBS. Yes its the same group that owns Capital Public Radio in Sacramento.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RadioPatrol View Post
    Interestingly KABC was on a station in San Antonio before those call letters landed on KECA-AM 790 (Now Cumulus O&O) and KECA-TV 7 for the ABC O&O in Los Angeles. But then again by the time ABC got those call letters (ABC had the evidence at that point that Los Angeles is a bigger media market than San Francisco).
    The KECA calls were changed because when Earle C. Anthony was forced to sell KECA, he did not want a station identified with his initials in the hands of another company.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SMoore View Post
    In regard to KFRC HD-2, they are playing the exact same music and ID bed/jingles that we used on 106.9 when it was live with jocks. What little imaging they are still using on HD-2 is stuff I threw together in '08...the good sweepers either rarely play or have been removed. I wasn't even aware it still existed.
    Yep---and in the 3+ years I've been living in Northern California, it's become apparent to me that what you guys loaded into the system nine years ago (with the exception of the occasional commercial) hasn't changed a bit. In fact, they still promote kfrc.com in one of the IDs or sweepers...and that site's been gone a long time. Still, for the occasional listen, it's the next best thing to the original, for those of us who grew up on mid-70s KFRC.

  8. #68
    Quote Originally Posted by RadioPatrol View Post
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KKYX

    Interestingly KABC was on a station in San Antonio before those call letters landed on KECA-AM 790 (Now Cumulus O&O) and KECA-TV 7 for the ABC O&O in Los Angeles. But then again by the time ABC got those call letters (ABC had the evidence at that point that Los Angeles is a bigger media market than San Francisco).

    When KCBS and KNBC were here (What evidence did CBS and NBC get to prove that San Francisco is a bigger Media Market than LA)?

    I doubt it was about evidence and proof as much as it was heritage. NBC didn't own a radio station in Los Angeles. And NBC was very much a radio company. When Channel 4 in L.A. signed on in 1949, it got the calls KNBH (NBC Hollywood). Five years later, they switched it to KRCA, because in 1954, RCA (NBC's parent company) was a bigger deal. In 1962, someone thought it was worth making the switch to KNBC, and since those calls were on an underperforming radio station in San Francisco, they probably thought they wouldn't do any damage by changing those calls to KNBR.

    As for CBS, when it bought KNX, those were established call letters, with 14 years worth of equity in Los Angeles. It made sense (especially in the early days, when it was a simulcast) for the FM to be KNX-FM and when CBS bought Channel 2, to christen it KNXT (KNX Television).

    Frankly, I've always thought the KCBS calls on the FM and TV in L.A. didn't make much sense. I suppose in the early 80s the thought was that the KCBS calls should grace a TV station, and they didn't own one in San Francisco. Now, of course, they do...and had they sat still, it could be KCBS AM & FM (for the radio news product) and KCBS-TV (which would make some branding sense, since there is some sharing of staff and resources.
    Last edited by michael hagerty; 01-24-2017 at 12:56 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by michael hagerty View Post
    I doubt it was about evidence and proof as much as it was heritage. NBC didn't own a radio station in Los Angeles.
    Interesting topic...back in the 1920s, San Francisco and LA had about the same population...both about a half million people. NBC based its west coast ops in San Francisco originally, and then built a new Radio City West in Hollywood in the late 30s.

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    Quote Originally Posted by michael hagerty View Post
    I doubt it was about evidence and proof as much as it was heritage. NBC didn't own a radio station in Los Angeles. And NBC was very much a radio company. When Channel 4 in L.A. signed on in 1949, it got the calls KNBH (NBC Hollywood). Five years later, they switched it to KRCA, because in 1954, RCA (NBC's parent company) was a bigger deal. In 1962, someone thought it was worth making the switch to KNBC, and since those calls were on an underperforming radio station in San Francisco, they probably thought they wouldn't do any damage by changing those calls to KNBR.

    As for CBS, when it bought KNX, those were established call letters, with 14 years worth of equity in Los Angeles. It made sense (especially in the early days, when it was a simulcast) for the FM to be KNX-FM and when CBS bought Channel 2, to christen it KNXT (KNX Television).

    Frankly, I've always thought the KCBS calls on the FM and TV in L.A. didn't make much sense. I suppose in the early 80s the thought was that the KCBS calls should grace a TV station, and they didn't own one in San Francisco. Now, of course, they do...and had they sat still, it could be KCBS AM & FM (for the radio news product) and KCBS-TV (which would make some branding sense, since there is some sharing of staff and resources.
    Although I'm sure KPIX has some value too since they've been Channel 5's call letters for 60+ years. They've recently gone back to the branding "KPIX 5" instead of the "CBS 5" that they were using for a few years.

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