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Doug Fleming 1977-2005

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Re: How was this possible?

> > > > > The desert is like one great, big oven..........are
> > you
> > > > > aware of that, Scribbler??
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I get the feeling you're not.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for the snarky reply. But unlike the illegal
> > > aliens,
> > > > he had shade (his vehicle), presumably knew that it
> > would
> > > be
> > > > more than 100 degrees, and therefore took water with
> > him.
> > > I
> > > > take plenty of water with me when it's 70, 80, 90, or
> > 100
> > > > degrees.
> > > >
> > > > And I've experienced 100+ degree temperatures in the
> > past,
> > >
> > > > in the desert and elsewhere.
> > > >
> > > > I'm not trying to blame the victim here. I was just
> > > > wondering if anything more was known. Sorry if I
> > ruffled
> > > > your feathers.
> > > >
> > > Perhaps you have never lived in the west, so you do not
> > > understand how it is. In temperatures such as those
> that
> > > occurred last month in the Black Rock Desert, you would
> > need
> > > a MINIMUM of one gallon of water per person per day to
> > > prevent dehydration. The relative humidity out there
> > would
> > > only be between 5 and 15% - so you dry out fast. And,
> > that
> > > alone would not protect you from heat stroke caused by
> the
> >
> > > hot temperatures and exposure. The Black Rock Desert is
> a
> >
> > > place with no trees or bushes to offer shade. It's all
> > > open. And, no drinkable water of any sort either.
> > Nothing.
> > >
> > >
> > > Not to mention that a vehicle DOES NOT offer reasonable
> > > protection. Do you realize that the temperature inside
> an
> >
> > > exposed vehicle (with doors/windows open) would still be
>
> > at
> > > least 120 degrees during the day? You can thank a
> version
> >
> > > of the "greenhouse effect" for that. That car would
> truly
> >
> > > be like an oven. You could not stay there during
> > daylight.
> > > However, the desert is so vast that the car would be
> your
> > > only hope of being seen. So, you would want to stay
> > close.
> > > Any attempt to walk out would be futile under those
> > > conditions.
> > >
> > > Many of the pioneers died in places like this. Without
> a
> > > car or cellphone, people today stand no better chance of
>
> > > survival than they did. I hope that this adds a little
> > > perspective on how a tragedy like Doug suffered could
> > easily
> > > occur. None of us would have fared any better than he
> > did.
> > >
> >
> > Great post! Very true!
> >
> > By the way, Scribbler insists that "he's been out in the
> > desert before and he knows what it's like..."
> >
> > Yeah, sure.
> >
> > Somehow I find that hard to believe!
> >
>
> From what I have heard, the desert is a very dangerous
> place. Why would Scribbler think a car would be a good place
> for shade? Thats even worst!

Scribbler said: "...he had shade (his vehicle)," he did not say anything about getting shade from being in the vehicle. Shade can found underneath the vehicle (though it would be very uncomfortable) or next to the outside of the vehicle on the side opposite the sun, except during the mid-day when the sun is directly overhead.
 
Re: How was this possible?

> > > > > > The desert is like one great, big
> oven..........are
> > > you
> > > > > > aware of that, Scribbler??
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I get the feeling you're not.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks for the snarky reply. But unlike the illegal
>
> > > > aliens,
> > > > > he had shade (his vehicle), presumably knew that it
> > > would
> > > > be
> > > > > more than 100 degrees, and therefore took water with
>
> > > him.
> > > > I
> > > > > take plenty of water with me when it's 70, 80, 90,
> or
> > > 100
> > > > > degrees.
> > > > >
> > > > > And I've experienced 100+ degree temperatures in the
>
> > > past,
> > > >
> > > > > in the desert and elsewhere.
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm not trying to blame the victim here. I was just
>
> > > > > wondering if anything more was known. Sorry if I
> > > ruffled
> > > > > your feathers.
> > > > >
> > > > Perhaps you have never lived in the west, so you do
> not
> > > > understand how it is. In temperatures such as those
> > that
> > > > occurred last month in the Black Rock Desert, you
> would
> > > need
> > > > a MINIMUM of one gallon of water per person per day to
>
> > > > prevent dehydration. The relative humidity out there
> > > would
> > > > only be between 5 and 15% - so you dry out fast. And,
>
> > > that
> > > > alone would not protect you from heat stroke caused by
>
> > the
> > >
> > > > hot temperatures and exposure. The Black Rock Desert
> is
> > a
> > >
> > > > place with no trees or bushes to offer shade. It's
> all
> > > > open. And, no drinkable water of any sort either.
> > > Nothing.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Not to mention that a vehicle DOES NOT offer
> reasonable
> > > > protection. Do you realize that the temperature
> inside
> > an
> > >
> > > > exposed vehicle (with doors/windows open) would still
> be
> >
> > > at
> > > > least 120 degrees during the day? You can thank a
> > version
> > >
> > > > of the "greenhouse effect" for that. That car would
> > truly
> > >
> > > > be like an oven. You could not stay there during
> > > daylight.
> > > > However, the desert is so vast that the car would be
> > your
> > > > only hope of being seen. So, you would want to stay
> > > close.
> > > > Any attempt to walk out would be futile under those
> > > > conditions.
> > > >
> > > > Many of the pioneers died in places like this.
> Without
> > a
> > > > car or cellphone, people today stand no better chance
> of
> >
> > > > survival than they did. I hope that this adds a
> little
> > > > perspective on how a tragedy like Doug suffered could
> > > easily
> > > > occur. None of us would have fared any better than he
>
> > > did.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Great post! Very true!
> > >
> > > By the way, Scribbler insists that "he's been out in the
>
> > > desert before and he knows what it's like..."
> > >
> > > Yeah, sure.
> > >
> > > Somehow I find that hard to believe!
> > >
> >
> > From what I have heard, the desert is a very dangerous
> > place. Why would Scribbler think a car would be a good
> place
> > for shade? Thats even worst!
>
> Scribbler said: "...he had shade (his vehicle)," he did not
> say anything about getting shade from being in the vehicle.
> Shade can found underneath the vehicle (though it would be
> very uncomfortable) or next to the outside of the vehicle on
> the side opposite the sun, except during the mid-day when
> the sun is directly overhead.
>

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Re: How was this possible?

> > > > > > > The desert is like one great, big
> > oven..........are
> > > > you
> > > > > > > aware of that, Scribbler??
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I get the feeling you're not.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks for the snarky reply. But unlike the
> illegal
> >
> > > > > aliens,
> > > > > > he had shade (his vehicle), presumably knew that
> it
> > > > would
> > > > > be
> > > > > > more than 100 degrees, and therefore took water
> with
> >
> > > > him.
> > > > > I
> > > > > > take plenty of water with me when it's 70, 80, 90,
>
> > or
> > > > 100
> > > > > > degrees.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > And I've experienced 100+ degree temperatures in
> the
> >
> > > > past,
> > > > >
> > > > > > in the desert and elsewhere.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'm not trying to blame the victim here. I was
> just
> >
> > > > > > wondering if anything more was known. Sorry if I
> > > > ruffled
> > > > > > your feathers.
> > > > > >
> > > > > Perhaps you have never lived in the west, so you do
> > not
> > > > > understand how it is. In temperatures such as those
>
> > > that
> > > > > occurred last month in the Black Rock Desert, you
> > would
> > > > need
> > > > > a MINIMUM of one gallon of water per person per day
> to
> >
> > > > > prevent dehydration. The relative humidity out
> there
> > > > would
> > > > > only be between 5 and 15% - so you dry out fast.
> And,
> >
> > > > that
> > > > > alone would not protect you from heat stroke caused
> by
> >
> > > the
> > > >
> > > > > hot temperatures and exposure. The Black Rock
> Desert
> > is
> > > a
> > > >
> > > > > place with no trees or bushes to offer shade. It's
> > all
> > > > > open. And, no drinkable water of any sort either.
> > > > Nothing.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Not to mention that a vehicle DOES NOT offer
> > reasonable
> > > > > protection. Do you realize that the temperature
> > inside
> > > an
> > > >
> > > > > exposed vehicle (with doors/windows open) would
> still
> > be
> > >
> > > > at
> > > > > least 120 degrees during the day? You can thank a
> > > version
> > > >
> > > > > of the "greenhouse effect" for that. That car would
>
> > > truly
> > > >
> > > > > be like an oven. You could not stay there during
> > > > daylight.
> > > > > However, the desert is so vast that the car would be
>
> > > your
> > > > > only hope of being seen. So, you would want to stay
>
> > > > close.
> > > > > Any attempt to walk out would be futile under those
> > > > > conditions.
> > > > >
> > > > > Many of the pioneers died in places like this.
> > Without
> > > a
> > > > > car or cellphone, people today stand no better
> chance
> > of
> > >
> > > > > survival than they did. I hope that this adds a
> > little
> > > > > perspective on how a tragedy like Doug suffered
> could
> > > > easily
> > > > > occur. None of us would have fared any better than
> he
> >
> > > > did.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Great post! Very true!
> > > >
> > > > By the way, Scribbler insists that "he's been out in
> the
> >
> > > > desert before and he knows what it's like..."
> > > >
> > > > Yeah, sure.
> > > >
> > > > Somehow I find that hard to believe!
> > > >
> > >
> > > From what I have heard, the desert is a very dangerous
> > > place. Why would Scribbler think a car would be a good
> > place
> > > for shade? Thats even worst!
> >
> > Scribbler said: "...he had shade (his vehicle)," he did
> not
> > say anything about getting shade from being in the
> vehicle.
> > Shade can found underneath the vehicle (though it would be
>
> > very uncomfortable) or next to the outside of the vehicle
> on
> > the side opposite the sun, except during the mid-day when
> > the sun is directly overhead.
> >
>
> Ok, I guess I misunderstood.
>

I really don't think it matters what scribbler meant, robmidmi!
Nothing was going to help this man, given his situation.
 
I didnt know that Doug had past until last week when i read the frontpage......I was also very sad :(Im glad the site is still here though right??God bless you Mr and Mrs Flemings and staff!!
 
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